MGS3: Snake Eater Mafia - Tactical Espionage Action (GAME)

[Drewish]

A thought just occurred ... Andrew, where you usually play ... what kind of voting system do they have? Is it the same as ours, or ... ?

No. It takes a full on majority to lynch. So a significant amount of pressure can be applied without there being any risk of the lynch actually going through unless the person ignores the pressure. That system could be emulated under your rules with enough people voting no lynch to offset the applied pressure, but again, that can wait till the post game for discussion.

[Drewish]

Oh and my voting "no lynch" is completely unrelated to my thoughts on pressuring for an out before going for the lynch. I really think that as long as we have investigative roles, that keeping the pace of the game slow (so that they have more nights to investigate) is a good move for town. That's another discussion though, and again, I guess it will have to wait until the post game banter.

[Gonzo]

A thought just occurred ... Andrew, where you usually play ... what kind of voting system do they have? Is it the same as ours, or ... ?

No. It takes a full on majority to lynch. So a significant amount of pressure can be applied without there being any risk of the lynch actually going through unless the person ignores the pressure. That system could be emulated under your rules with enough people voting no lynch to offset the applied pressure, but again, that can wait till the post game for discussion.

I assume your games aren't timed. People around here tend to like games that last 1-2 weeks. When the voting systems are based on majority lynches the game tends to take longer. (Exibit A. http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/ who nobody ever links to. Exibit B. http://www.talkrational.org who also have timed games.)

[charlou]

Andrew, what are your thoughts about the game play of each player on day one? Did you get have any thoughts at all about any of players as the game progressed, and/or with hindsight?


@ gonzo - I had FF in mind when I asked Andrew the question about voting. I've played a couple of games there, and their voting practices are quite different.

[b.ternarius]

OF course outing specials is bad for town. The question is though, whether your (speaking generally to everyone here) approach actually avoids doing that risk. Based on yesterday, it seems it does not. Really, all I'm suggesting is that instead of piling on to a person with votes and then having them out them self near the end of the day, that we get somebody to out them self first, and then decide whether to lynch them. If the culture here is that posting with actual content or thoughts = scummy behavior, then I'm wondering how town ever wins a game.

You should read a couple other games here. What you just said is what happened last night. She was down for the lynch and she outed at that point. It was unusual in that it happened when it did, with no suitable alternate to lynch. A no lynch is rare.

Perhaps you're not explaining yourself very well, because getting someone to out generally happens because there's a pile of votes on them. Why else would they role claim? Are you suggesting people just say they think a player is scummy until that player outs, without putting any votes down at all? In a game with players in every time zone, that would cause the game direction to lean in favour of whoever's on board in the last few hours of the game.

It's cool. I'm not gonna push it anymore during this game. I'll wait till after the game and then it can be discussed during the post game banter. Just be aware that since the present strategy seems to be about judging people on the 'scumminess' of their posts, and I have no knowledge of any of your typical mafia styles or mannerisms, that 'skating' is about the only thing left for me to do at this point.

Okay. One last thing, though. We're not judging the scumminess of posts based entirely on personality and game mannerisms. Day 1 is more difficult than succeeding days because less info. We look at who voted for an innocent or a scum, who pressed for what lynch, who protected what player, and so on. Among other things. Knowing the personalities helps, but it isn't all we look at. You'll see.

[Gonzo]

Don't mind me. I'm just here for stupid memes and pro-tips.

[charlou]

Okay. One last thing, though. We're not judging the scumminess of posts based entirely on personality and game mannerisms. Day 1 is more difficult than succeeding days because less info. We look at who voted for an innocent or a scum, who pressed for what lynch, who protected what player, and so on. Among other things. Knowing the personalities helps, but it isn't all we look at. You'll see.

Aye, this.

[Drewish]

Gonzo, can I ask that you put a link to day 1 in the OP to this day's thread? It would make it easier to look back, thanks.

Andrew, what are your thoughts about the game play of each player on day one? Did you get have any thoughts at all about any of players as the game progressed, and/or with hindsight?


@ gonzo - I had FF in mind when I asked Andrew the question about voting. I've played a couple of games there, and their voting practices are quite different.

My suspicion falls to azathoth. He threw out a lot of suspicion on easy targets and is responsible for getting the MZ mayor vote started. I'm just surprised at how many people jumped on that bandwagon so quickly (admittedly I was one of them) and I worry about a scum mayor. The fact that MZ now has also voted for DP doesn't help here. azathoth also pushed against DP and charlou (and charlou based on her not pressuring or voting for me), both of whom I'm inclined to trust after the events of day 1.

[b.ternarius]

You're right that MZ needs to explain his DP vote. How about it, MZ? If you think he was just scum grandstanding for effect when he offered himself as a lynch candidate in place of the doctor, that's kind of extreme. If it hadn't been for the no lynch alternative, I would have certainly helped him out, and so would others. Thinkin' DP tooks pretty town friendly at the moment.

[Gonzo]

Time Paradox

gib's alignment was chosen at random by coin flip and has been added to the game. Enjoy.

LYNCHEE
01 Adenosine
02 Amok
03 andrewclunn [2] azathoth, charlou
04 Athene
05 Azathoth
06 b.ternarius
07 charlou
08 DP [1.5] MagicZiggy
09 Feck
10 gib
11 Irre
12 MagicZiggy
13 MattShizzle
14 UselessTwit
15 Zigmen
NO LYNCH [1] andrewclunn

[Drewish]

gib's alignment was chosen at random by coin flip and has been added to the game. Enjoy.

Wow, a 50/50 shot of being scum? That' sounds like a lynch candidate to me.

##vote unvote##

##vote vote gib##

[gib]

lol what happened to you suspecting Aza?

[Azathoth]

Revenge FOS and safe easy lynch vote: yawn: How many classic scumtells can you drop in 2 days? I thought shizzle fired them out until I saw you. If you aren't scum you need mentoring in the ways of mafia and not the weird roleplaying game that you are used to.

[gib]

Charlou what are your thoughts on irre at this point?

[Drewish]

I'm playing by the numbers. My suspicions of Azathoth are conjecture. They're based on impressions. But a solid 50/50 shot is better statistically for a lynch. It's simple math.