Ratz Drama Mafia game thread

[Gonzo]

Given both competing bandwagons were town, it's quite possible that scum sat back and watched. I'd maybe looking at the other votes and starting from there.
Plus Gonzos "I'll vote for Callan even though I think she's town." That was odd.

That was a bit odd MZ, but given Gonzo's other play, I'm betting he is town Imho.

how about we start with you gonzo, you kinda piled on for no real reason.

That was supposed to be interpreted as joke, admittedly an unfunny and stupid one, but still a joke. MZ was goading me "show some leadership" and vote, so I just placed it on the inevitable lynch. Seeing as that it hadn't made matters any better or worse for Callan, my vote was meaningless no matter what I chose to do with. I was still suspicious of Callan for some posts, but I didn't think the case against her was strong enough for a lynch - it was still stronger than the one against Irre. None of this changes the fact that most Day One wagons are usually on townies, so I wasn't eager to join. In retrospect it wasn't the right choice. I didn't want to vote for either wagon, anyway.

[Uselesstwit]

good explanation, just wanted to ask. Sometime scum feel pressured to throw any old vote down.

[oblivion]

Thoughts on why Irre was the NK?

based on her early day 1 posts I had her down as a possible special. That was my main reason for voting Callan when I did.

It could be something else, I guess. I'll have a look at her posts tonight. Maybe something will click.

[Gonzo]

Reviewing the wagon on Callan - I have the weakest read on UT and Feck. Nothing I recall specifically stands out as scummy, though, but they have do happen to have the least posts out of anyone who had voted for her so far.

Player|~Post Count
Irre| 39
Oblivion| 37
Gonzo| 29
Gib| 27
Magicziggy| 29
DennyB| 15
Callan| 14
Mantis| 12
M| 11
Zigmen| 11
Azathoth| 11
Uselesstwit| 9
Higgs| 8
Feck| 8
Nellikin| 8
Don't Panic| 8
Adem| 4
Ani| 4
Gallstones| 2
Contra| 7
Jerome| 3
OVERALL| 318

There is one particular post by Feck that pinged when I first read it, however.

Post by Feck » Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:31 am

Callan..something is very different about her this game ,maybe just trying to hard ? Nelli ..just too many mistakes Gonzo.... very very helpful to town , don't trust that .Jerome ...I'm not going to say much because scum will know how I play .....(insert TR type comment here please )

I will vote for Ani when and if I think he is scummy ,not for changing his style .

For someone with so few posts - what he has said has been vague meta and lacking any actual scum hunting. Apparently making an effort to find scum is suspicious... In other news, black is white, up is down, and wrong is right.

vote Feck

I'd like to see some substancial gameplay, good sir. Who do you find most suspiscious at this point? Who do you think has been least helpful to the town?

[Gonzo]

Thoughts on why Irre was the NK?

based on her early day 1 posts I had her down as a possible special. That was my main reason for voting Callan when I did.

It could be something else, I guess. I'll have a look at her posts tonight. Maybe something will click.

What made you think she was a possible special? She seemed quite vocal to me - a trait I wouldn't normally attribute to town specials.

[Gonzo]

Looks like I've overlooked Higgs, s/he has barely been active at this point - so much so I couldn't have an opinion one way or another.

[Zigmen]

One NK on a scummy looking player, so, my guess would be a Vig or Oblivion-styled SK.

No scum kill could mean either a block or a protect, but my guess would be a recruit occurred. If the game was balanced to allow recruits (even though recruit-enabled baddies always seem to win), then I'd expect a new recruiter has taken Gall's place.

Who would you recruit?

I'd go for either high-profile pro-town or an off-the-radar type.

hrmmmm.

[oblivion]

Thoughts on why Irre was the NK?

based on her early day 1 posts I had her down as a possible special. That was my main reason for voting Callan when I did.

It could be something else, I guess. I'll have a look at her posts tonight. Maybe something will click.

What made you think she was a possible special? She seemed quite vocal to me - a trait I wouldn't normally attribute to town specials.

When you're a vocal player, you can't tone it down too much when you're a special (or scum for that matter). You stand out if you do. Irre was vocal, but she was not hitting hard with her foses. I almost called her on that a couple of times, especially her not giving me much of the usual day 1 shit, but I kept wondering. I'm notorious for sledging specials. I try to keep that possibility in mind when someone pings.

[higgs2]

I have not been barely active get over yourself gonzo. i'm p. much assuming you're town unless we hear differently or you're the don, but you need to realize we have differing time zones and differing posting styles. I really did think callan was scum, but wasn't surpirsed at the nk of irre as she seemed p. towny to me. Not seeing the special thing. oNe the other hand oblivion has been notorious for outing specials when scum hunting lately so I can see how that would happen.

Zigmen, you're assuming a non scum kill? how many nk's would there be in a recruiting game. when you gm what would you do with this many players and a recruiting factor? would you put in indies or is that over the top, seems unbalanced to me. On the other hand, one night kill is a little surprising, could be block or doc at work.

[oblivion]

I went back and looked at Irre's FoSes. She was all over the map.

DP and Zigmen - http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 40#p757988

DP has ducked back under the radar.. I am hoping we have a real wriggling scum on the end of the mayor hook.

Oblivion: in a meta sense, is it common for scum to boldly strike out with a first BW on a town player? Yes, I'm asking about zigmen.

gib and callan - http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 40#p758131

All this pussyfooting around my BW has me more suspicious of gib and callan, than ani and adem. After all scumtend to try too hard with their towny act, avoiding being key players in a lynch. Whereas town really don't know if I am town.

dennyb - http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 40#p758277

FoS Denny, I just reread your summary.. you didn't even mention callan, and no mention of the little spat between her and gib?!

mantis - http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 40#p758286

oblivion, you know how I hate to agree with you, but mantis' post does ping. Nellikin for a lynch vote is about the easiest spot to lay a vote down.

UT - http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 40#p758323

I don't think it's a stretch. If UT was scum, it'd give him nice townie points to defend mantis' lynch vote.

Feck and Ani - http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 40#p758342

Looking at that post count, what jumps out is feck and ani being very quiet. Unusually so.

[oblivion]

it kinda looks to me like denny is doing a bit of cheerleading.

Yeah, denny's bugging me.

What do you think about Feck's participation and posts yesterday?

[Mantisdreamz]

Thoughts on why Irre was the NK?

based on her early day 1 posts I had her down as a possible special. That was my main reason for voting Callan when I did.

It could be something else, I guess. I'll have a look at her posts tonight. Maybe something will click.

What made you think she was a possible special? She seemed quite vocal to me - a trait I wouldn't normally attribute to town specials.

When you're a vocal player, you can't tone it down too much when you're a special (or scum for that matter). You stand out if you do. Irre was vocal, but she was not hitting hard with her foses. I almost called her on that a couple of times, especially her not giving me much of the usual day 1 shit, but I kept wondering. I'm notorious for sledging specials. I try to keep that possibility in mind when someone pings.

Yes, she wasn't loud with her fos'es... just mainly focused on Callan. Which is probably why she got NK'd. Because, she didn't leave much of a trail. Er, I don't think she did, at least.

I'm feeling okay with MagicZiggy. And even Feck. Feck made mention that he didn't want to vote Ani, just because he wasn't being typical Ani.


cross post with oblivion - I'm suspicious of Denny as well.

[Mantisdreamz]

Hm, okay so she did fos others more so than I thought.

[oblivion]

One NK on a scummy looking player, so, my guess would be a Vig or Oblivion-styled SK.

No scum kill could mean either a block or a protect, but my guess would be a recruit occurred. If the game was balanced to allow recruits (even though recruit-enabled baddies always seem to win), then I'd expect a new recruiter has taken Gall's place.

Who would you recruit?

I'd go for either high-profile pro-town or an off-the-radar type.

hrmmmm.

according to her death note she was a day-recruiting cult leader.

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Cult

Cult is successful when recruiting a pro-Town player, while a Cult member dies if they attempt to recruit a player that is part of the Mafia. Cults generally do not have a killing ability.

I wonder if the person she tried to recruit yesterday was scum. If she failed on her initial recruit, then her cult didn't start.

I don't know ratz drama. Is there a possibility of 2 competing cult leaders? Is there another ratz drama type person who parallels Chuck or whoever Gallstones was? I've only played a couple of cult games. But, one of the games had 2 cults.

[Zigmen]

If this anything like a ratskep game, I expect two scum teams, three independant recruiters with day-kill abilities, two vigs with lynch immunity on odd-numbered days, five SKs, three dons, four docs (two of whom are secretly poisoners) and a handful of Seers, millers, and lovers. Oh, and one poor vanilla town player.

But I suppose the single could have been a scum kill.

Unlikely, in my mind, though.