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[Bilirubin]

Well, I take responsibility for it.

What? Why are you taking responsibility for it?

Seriously, if you are talking about the lynch, I pushed the late BW. Being wrong for the right reasons is part of the game.

[Adenosine]

Well, I take responsibility for it.

What? Why are you taking responsibility for it?

Seriously, if you are talking about the lynch, I pushed the late BW. Being wrong for the right reasons is part of the game.

Oh yeah, I am talking about the lynch. It's odd to take responsibility for the whole thing. The whole thing, not just his part in it. I've seen scum do that before. Mourn their tragic mistake that got a townie lynched.

[oblivion]

it's also a noob thing, and I've seen grit do the same in other games, though it was more in the nature of taking the blame for getting lynched.

Scrupulosities and exaggeration.

I would look to feck and ade tomorrow, guys, with grit as a distant third.

[gib]

anyone remember where feck his vote parked?

Mantis. 4th on the original wagon, never moved it despite the partial reveal.

Thanks. Feck and (surprise!) adenosine are looking pretty bad.

Everyone else is on my town pile, so it's clear-cut from my perspective. I had doubts about ksen, but his out clears him satisfactorily, and also bili, but he's a good player and as scum it'd be crazy to go after a towny like he did with mantis.

why would it be crazy?

[gib]

holy fuck guys.

feck what do you think - am i being paranoid about grit?

same question to you too please mantis

At first I thought you weren't being paranoid. I was suspicious of him too. However, after reading through Day 2, I'm not as concerned. I'm more concerned about UT & Bilirubin.

If you look at Day 2, the majority (nearly all) were in response to you, gib. He starts off the day by asking others, what gib's town game is usually like, etc. After day 1, it looked pretty obvious that you were town. So, why the one tracked mindedness on his part, looks curious.

He made a few others posts -- one that looked sort of townish, in which he speculates about Denny possibly being the only "Green haired Romulan" due to capitalization...

Later on, a post from him that states he needs to "look closer at UT, myself, Feck and now grit". And says his top suspicion is Irre. Nicely setting himself up for his lynch vote today. In which, first thing - he votes Irre. Removes it after Irre votes for herself...



As for Feck - his reactions to votes on him, remind me of this town game. One's that I have seen recently. So, I'm sort of going back to my day 1 state of mind. Speaking of - unvote

Then again, yes - he was absent for the end of Day 1, when the back and forth between Denny & grit was happening. But, I was absent as well, so that reasoning doesn't hold a lot of water -- hypocritical and all.


UT. He seems to be just out of sight enough, that we've put him aside. What about his "yes, yes WE are.." post. He hasn't come around to answer that. Adenosine, you even mentioned in one of your posts (Day 2) that UT hadn't registered for you, which was kind of strange <- your words.


I still have Adenosine as townish. And Irre as well - though, I have to admit I'm going back and forth with Irre, because I recall a very similar situation in a previous game (much long ago) where I whiteknighted her to the extreme, thought she was town, and she flipped scum. Soo... I know she's a very good actor. Maybe she did block herself??? Maybe that's why she got the message that a "guy" plied her... and not, a "romulan" plied her. Who knows.


Will reserve my vote for later - after we hear from UT... though, I think the tune is already set to "Mantis is scum, and ksen was so right in his busdrive, we've caught a scum!"


Just look at UT and Bilrubin please, when I flip town.

Maybe Feck too or grit - but they are lower on my list

time to look at this again now we know mantis wasn't lying.

[gib]

out of that, i'm seeing the irre self-block over anything else. That might be last night's watering can talking tho

UT, i just don't know - as i said, all the posts are pretty short, i'm sure i remember town UT making fairly lengthy and detailed cases in previous games

there could be something to the suspicions about bili too, but it's a stretch

[gib]

rereading day 1 UT looks town for this reason: - when the pressure is on denny, denny tries to shift the attention to UT.

seeing as denny was vanilla scum i can see no reason why he would do that if UT was his scumbuddy, ie why not just go down, why shift attention to a scumbuddy, there was a very real chance the votes could have gone to UT at that fairly early stage. Much more likely UT is town and just looked like the softest target at that stage.

start here: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 46#p877346

[gib]

regarding bili:

remember this:

So far I've penciled gib and Adenosine as vanilla town.

That's pretty specific.

unneccessarily so tbh

indeed. I weigh the possibility of a scummy slip-up against the possibility his game has become somewhat rusty with disuse. considering wait and watch policy while bilirubin reacclimatizes.

how's that wait n watch policy working out for u oblivion?

[gib]

regarding bili:

no but my post didn't mention irre so your use of a pronoun is clanging

@bili btw

No, your post did mention irre (at least the one that had had me so confused). Mine did not. I assumed your question to "those who didn't vote for denny" was why you picked who you did over denny and so I launched straight into that without naming her. I probably would have caught that in preview but was distracted by the denny crosspost which had arrived right at that moment.

i have emboldened what i can only take to be a lie

from here http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 24#p877924

[gib]

regarding bili:

no but my post didn't mention irre so your use of a pronoun is clanging

@bili btw

No, your post did mention irre (at least the one that had had me so confused). Mine did not. I assumed your question to "those who didn't vote for denny" was why you picked who you did over denny and so I launched straight into that without naming her. I probably would have caught that in preview but was distracted by the denny crosspost which had arrived right at that moment.

i have emboldened what i can only take to be a lie

from here http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 24#p877924

forget that, i was just getting confused there

[gib]

nah bili was the one that talked me back into revoting denny, it's too much of a stretch

[grit]

Aden's responses are pinging somewhat to me right off. And I'm noticing Aden's vote placement on both the Mantis and Denny wagons. And Aden seems to have only voted me (or at all - but I need to double check that) on Day 1 after my flub, and then late on the Denny wagon after he was obviously going down. He voiced followy suspicions of us both after my flub and before his vote (when he changed his mayor vote from gib to ob), but his later votes on both me and then Denny were followy too, when we were growing and obvious lynch targets. He did the same at the close-of-day Mantis vote too.
Still, he didn't vote the Mantis wagon the first time around. He had started yesterday dropping the irre matter and singled out Feck in a very leadership way. Feck is currently my second leading candidate for tomorrow (after 12 EST today), though I need to study that more, but I just don't think Aden would have come out and parked his vote on Feck early yesterday if they are both scum.

I'm certainly wishing I had stuck with my Eeny meeny result - I came near to switching back after Aden's vote, but I thought that might have created too much drama with too little time left (I'm wishing I had voted a bit earlier now, especially since so many jumped after the last time I voted lead 3rd on the wagon). Maybe there's something still in the cards or karma on irre, but after Mantis flipped town I'm personally not going there again without some pretty good case building.

It's not lost on me either that Mantis voted UT. UT wasn't anywhere in the Denny voting, nor in the Mantis voting. gib brings up a good point, but I'm inclined to draw a different conclusion, that Denny may have wanted to build some town cred for UT. Still, when Denny hit the club, he didn't think he would be that day's lynch. I need to go re-read the Denny/UT dynamic.

[Adenosine]

Do you still think that Irre is scum?

[gib]

grit did i ever get an answer to this from day 2:

What sort of mason do we reckon Aza was? Must be a "wins with town"?

What kind of question is that?

Aza was town otherwise the reveal would have revealed Aza as scum/indy.

Honestly, it's a somewhat obvious special hunt. Ob and I played as masons at TR, where I was vanilla and she was vig. I wouldn't want Spock's brain to reveal, because I'm thinking Spock's brain is a town special.

what's an obvious special hunt idgi

http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 08#p878608

[oblivion]

out of that, i'm seeing the irre self-block over anything else. That might be last night's watering can talking tho

UT, i just don't know - as i said, all the posts are pretty short, i'm sure i remember town UT making fairly lengthy and detailed cases in previous games
there could be something to the suspicions about bili too, but it's a stretch

affirmationisms. this is my recollection, too.

During the last few hours yesterday, I discounted him as possible scum and I don't remember why. maybe following someone's lead. maybe losing the plot.