Strontium Dog wrote: pErvin wrote:
Unless you were poor or disabled.
Surely these myths don't have any mileage left in them?
You clearly don't know any disabled people. What ATOS did was unconscionable (unless one is a neoliberal, of course). And you think austerity helps poor people?!
This sounds like yet another numpty prediction from the people who neither understand how an economy works nor that most policies that most people want are what you hyperbolicly call "hard left".
I'm sure a lot of people want everything to be free and for them not to have to pay, and for the rich to carry the can for everything. Needless to say, what is popular and what is realistic are not the same thing.
As I said, you don't understand how economies work. Without a consumer base, capitalism HAS to fail. And that's what we are seeing more and more now.
pErvin wrote:It's ironic you refer to religion. Preaching and worshipping at the alter of ideology (in your case freedum), is about as religious a non-religious person can get.
There is nothing wrong with ideology. The ideological belief that individuals should be as free as is humanly possible is an eminently reasonable one.
It's reasonable as an ideal. But when you let an ideal get in the way of pragmatism, that's inherently stupid.
It is political dogma that resembles religion, and the thing about liberalism is that it is very much not dogmatic, but pragmatic.
You have GOT to be shitting me. Economic liberalism isn't pragmatic at all. You only have to look at how much you clowns bleat on and on with empty rhetoric about FREEDOM!!
. You are obsessed with an ideal. You sacrifice the good for the unobtainable perfect. And what's pragmatic about austerity and trickle-down economics?!? There's virtually no data to support the ideas, and where ever it has been implemented it has either been a disaster or prolonged a recession. It's ideological nonsense without a shadow of a doubt. It's about the short term entrenchment of wealth and power in the upper classes, despite the fact that eventually they'll all be metaphorically swinging from lampposts once wealth inequality reaches too high levels.
About the only example of economic pragmatism that I can call to mind concerning liberals is Friedman's (or was it Hayek's) support for a UBI or something (like negative taxation) with a similar outcome.
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