Announcement about RDF Part 2.

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Re: Announcement about RDF Part 2.

Post by z8000783 » Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:03 am

Spearthrower wrote:Josh needs to be reminded about the problems of ultimate power like this. Especially in his role for the foundation.

Josh bear this in mind for your future career post-RDF....
I think Josh's position in the Foundation is as secure as ever. Remember he is paid by the Foundation and the Foundation and RD aren't just behind him they are the ones who are instigation the change.

Josh is also correct, there was no way he could keep the forum open after what happened, what beggars belief is that he didn't see it coming.

Josh's mistake is that is misread the the feeling of the Moderators but he won't be punished for that, quite the reverse in fact, When RD finally makes some sort of announcement he will be right behind Josh. My own feeling is that RD found the forum an embarrassment which is why he hardly ever showed up, and he has finally found a way to be rid of it.

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Re: Announcement about RDF Part 2.

Post by M » Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:26 am

z8000783 wrote:
Josh's mistake is that is misread the the feeling of the Moderators but he won't be punished for that, quite the reverse in fact, When RD finally makes some sort of announcement he will be right behind Josh. My own feeling is that RD found the forum an embarrassment which is why he hardly ever showed up, and he has finally found a way to be rid of it.

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Re: Announcement about RDF Part 2.

Post by Onyx8 » Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:27 am

Hey, good to hear some familiar voices. For a moment there I thought I was going to have to get a real life. Didn't do that much posting (<500), but a lot of reading and LEARNING! Gonna miss the place TBH, but maybe this will work too. :tup:

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Re: Announcement about RDF Part 2.

Post by Robert_S » Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:31 am

I posted in the Betrayal thread and can see it just fine.

There is also a new Destruction of the Forum thread.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: Announcement about RDF Part 2.

Post by Crocodile Gandhi » Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:38 am

Robert_S wrote:I posted in the Betrayal thread and can see it just fine.

There is also a new Destruction of the Forum thread.
Now if only you could find a way to make Phillip Rand disappear.
Goodbye RDF. We hardly knew ye.

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Re: Announcement about RDF Part 2.

Post by Paula1 » Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:38 am

Robert_S wrote:I posted in the Betrayal thread and can see it just fine.

There is also a new Destruction of the Forum thread.
Where are these threads? I cant find them, possibly due to having no search function at all and cant view active topics either
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Re: Announcement about RDF Part 2.

Post by Crocodile Gandhi » Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:42 am

Paula1 wrote:
Robert_S wrote:I posted in the Betrayal thread and can see it just fine.

There is also a new Destruction of the Forum thread.
Where are these threads? I cant find them, possibly due to having no search function at all and cant view active topics either
He is talking about facebook. There is a group for the Richards Dawkins Foundation.
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Re: Announcement about RDF Part 2.

Post by seals » Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:43 am

Hi everyone, I'm confused about the RD forum and feeling a bit blue. I haven't got anything to add to what's been said really. My thoughts just now are that either Richard must be depending too much on Josh, or (same thing) Josh is there to take the rap for Richard. If Richard disliked the forum so much, why didn't he simply say so and explain why it would be terminated? something is far wrong (obviously)!

Anyway must rush off now, but glad to see yous all here!

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Re: Announcement about RDF Part 2.

Post by ozewiezeloose » Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:45 am

Spearthrower wrote:
SpeedOfSound wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:Can someone see if "The Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science" on Facebook is accessible to them?

Mine won't load! :think:
It is to me.

:funny:

I think I have been banned! The Knives are still out.... they just can't accept criticism!
I quit. I deleted them from my groups.

Oh, and, since I don't have RD's e-mail address, I PM'd the following:
Dear Richard,

I hope your tour through Oceania is going well.

I'm sure this is not the most convenient time to address you with complaints, but I'm afraid the utter disappointment of the great many RDF-members and former forum admins that I have talked with yesterday more than justifies this little note.

Over the years, the RDF forum has become a bit of a sanctuary for former theists who needed support AND for current theists who had doubts, as well as for atheists who needed sound rational arguments to back up their position. Forum members and administrators of the likes of Calilasseia, Darwin's Bulldog, Hackenslash, Susu.exp, Tim O'Neill and many others put considerable effort into the many informative and educational contributions they posted, and the forum has been a real help to me in discussions with creationist relatives and friends, and a great source of information and education.

Whereas I have been a less prolific poster than some others, my own posts also aimed to help the occasional theist/creationist-with-doubts who dropped by at the forum, and I dare hope that we indeed have been able to help a few.

Moreover, the forum had become a community: there were many people that I had come to consider friends, even though I didn't know their names, even though I had never seen them and even though the forum was my primary means of keeping in touch with.

Now, the forum is gone. It was destroyed - and I did pick that word with care - overnight, with-out any warning whatsoever to the members. The "View your posts", "View active Topics" and "Search" functions being disabled, saving to my harddisk the great number of posts that I would have liked to save for reference has become virtually impossible. Many threads have been cut-off mid-discussion.

Dear Richard, I have no idea whether you are aware of this, but please know that the forum was important, both for social and educational purposes.

In 2008, you wrote the following (on the forum):
“It is a community, and that is a valuable part of it. Many of our forum threads have an atmosphere of friends going out for a drink and chatting. I think that is valuable, and I don’t think we should insist on sticking to serious topics. That would be a good way to stifle the sense of community, and that would be a real shame.”
I cannot but wholeheartedly agree with this, and express my utter disillusion at the way things were handled by your staff in closing down the forum two days ago.

Yours sincerely,

SDL
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Re: Announcement about RDF Part 2.

Post by Crocodile Gandhi » Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:46 am

It just occurred to me that Galaxian must be thinking that his "The internet is being widely censored!" fantasy is coming true.
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Re: Announcement about RDF Part 2.

Post by Babel » Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:08 am

Too much throttle in this thread guys... Took me quite some time to read who had joined after I went to bed. I was anxious to find out if this forum would still be there this morning, and it was. :drool:

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Re: Announcement about RDF Part 2.

Post by Spearthrower » Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:09 am

MCJ wrote:
z8000783 wrote:
Josh's mistake is that is misread the the feeling of the Moderators but he won't be punished for that, quite the reverse in fact, When RD finally makes some sort of announcement he will be right behind Josh. My own feeling is that RD found the forum an embarrassment which is why he hardly ever showed up, and he has finally found a way to be rid of it.

John
Exactly that.
Sorry, I can't connect the dots there guys. Why would Richard Dawkins find the forums an embarrassment? I've heard him say on a number of occasions that it is hard to get a group of atheists together for any concerted purpose, and he knew he had achieved it there. I assume he didn't show up much because he's busy doing other things.

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Re: Announcement about RDF Part 2.

Post by hotshoe » Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:15 am

Crocodile Gandhi wrote:It just occurred to me that Galaxian must be thinking that his "The internet is being widely censored!" fantasy is coming true.
Fantasy ?

Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :evil:

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Re: Announcement about RDF Part 2.

Post by JimC » Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:18 am

I'm not surprised by the length of this thread. We at Ratz have had such experiences in the past (one involving RDF), and have observed others. People need many days to vent, to talk to others in the same boat, and to (rightly) bitch about it all.

In a few days, a week at the most, the need will die down a bit, and we will see more clearly how we can continue to integrate the communities and move forward... :tup:
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Re: Announcement about RDF Part 2.

Post by Feck » Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:25 am

hotshoe wrote:
Fantasy ?

Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :evil:
That's true :shifty:
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