Those who have come from Pz's blog, aka THAT thread

[Badger3k]

I like Milk Duds.

To late Wumbologist...

Oh my god, have the Milk Duds killed him??

He probably choked on one. Damn sticky, gooey things.

We've all been there.

That's what you get for trying to swallow.

[Bella Fortuna]

What's that someecard - "I only swallow because it saves on clean-up later" ?

Hey, we aren't being nearly unwelcoming enough to you, Badger. We'll get right on that.

[cogwheel]

Hey, we aren't being nearly unwelcoming enough to you, Badger. We'll get right on that.

Let the Badger badgering commence!

[lordpasternack]

I wonder what Exi5tentialist's psychiatric assessment would be. Even if he's an intentional troll - he's off the scale in weirdness and dissociation from reality…

[Badger3k]

Hey, we aren't being nearly unwelcoming enough to you, Badger. We'll get right on that.

Let the Badger badgering commence!

Aaahhhhh - I was killed by a mushroom once!



too much? Anyway, I like the Lord of the Badgers too
,

but I'm still partial to Narwhals:

[Seth]

So, the Milk Duds you are not liking? You are perhaps a JuJube? Ve haf veys of dealink vif Jujubes.

Just don't mention Reese's Pieces. So demeaning to be referred to as just a Piece of Reese.

I wouldn't mind a piece of Reese.

Stop with the objectification. :ddan:

Nobody objectified Reese, she objectified herself on celluloid for profit so she's fair game for sexual fantasy.

[Robert_S]

So, the Milk Duds you are not liking? You are perhaps a JuJube? Ve haf veys of dealink vif Jujubes.

Just don't mention Reese's Pieces. So demeaning to be referred to as just a Piece of Reese.

I wouldn't mind a piece of Reese.

Stop with the objectification. :ddan:

Nobody objectified Reese, she objectified herself on celluloid for profit so she's fair game for sexual fantasy.

She was forced into it by economic necessity. Do you know how much it costs to have one of the Hollywood lifestyles?

[Seth]

What he's saying is that a State that condones murder (or executions if you will) has passed over the moral threshold into the area where rape can be used as a punishment, and an office of State Rapist would be created.

I would think that any of a number of existing mechanical sex machines could do the job if called for. Robert Heinlein suggested "equalization" as just punishment for harm to others. In one of his novels (I can't recall which right now) the protagonist watches as a person who negligently ran over someone and broke their legs is himself run over in the same fashion, with a time keeper carefully marking off the same amount of time it took the ambulance to respond to his victim's injuries before treating the malefactor.

I'm not sure that any punishment that provides an equal amount of pain, humiliation and/or long-term physical and mental harm as that caused by the criminal to his/her victims could be rationally defined as "cruel or unusual" punishment.

So, raping a rapist seems like "equalization" to me, whereas smashing his testicles with a hammer and anvil would seem to be "cruel and unusual." Of course, you run the chance that the criminal might be a masochist who takes sexual pleasure from being raped, but them's the breaks.

As for executions, take a life unlawfully, forfeit your life. Nothing whatever cruel or unusual about that.

I think PZ probably ought to be required to experience a forcible anal rape before he bloviates further on what punishment the rapist ought to suffer. Perspective, doncha see...

And I wonder how he'd feel about capital punishment if it was HIS wife and young daughter who were gang-raped and brutally murdered...presuming arguendo that he had a wife and daughter.

It's my experience that every bleeding-heart liberal criminal-coddling apologist "pacifist" has his or her limits beyond which they too will resort to physical force, up to and including deadly physical force, in defense of their, or their loved one's lives and safety. I've never yet met one who could truthfully say they wouldn't pick up a gun and shoot a person in the process of raping their 10 year old daughter or son.

And if I ever did, I'd likely vomit in disgust at the cowardice inherent in such a philosophy.

[Seth]

Stop with the objectification. :ddan:

Nobody objectified Reese, she objectified herself on celluloid for profit so she's fair game for sexual fantasy.

She was forced into it by economic necessity. Do you know how much it costs to have one of the Hollywood lifestyles?

I didn't say there was anything wrong with self-sexual objectification for profit, it's perfectly acceptable in my book. She owns her sexuality, her beauty and her talents and she should be allowed to market her assets any way she likes. I just said that it makes her fair game for the sexual fantasies of her adoring fans.

By the way, have you seen "Freeway"?

[cogwheel]

And I wonder how he'd feel about capital punishment if it was HIS wife and young daughter who were gang-raped and brutally murdered...presuming arguendo that he had a wife and daughter.

It's my experience that every bleeding-heart liberal criminal-coddling apologist "pacifist" has his or her limits beyond which they too will resort to physical force, up to and including deadly physical force, in defense of their, or their loved one's lives and safety. I've never yet met one who could truthfully say they wouldn't pick up a gun and shoot a person in the process of raping their 10 year old daughter or son.

Killing someone in the act of doing something brutal is not about punishment. It's about stopping the brutality. Pure practicality, and entirely forgivable. Killing someone who has been tried for murder does nothing but stroke the egos of the people who were wronged.

[Robert_S]

Stop with the objectification. :ddan:

Nobody objectified Reese, she objectified herself on celluloid for profit so she's fair game for sexual fantasy.

She was forced into it by economic necessity. Do you know how much it costs to have one of the Hollywood lifestyles?

I didn't say there was anything wrong with self-sexual objectification for profit, it's perfectly acceptable in my book. She owns her sexuality, her beauty and her talents and she should be allowed to market her assets any way she likes. I just said that it makes her fair game for the sexual fantasies of her adoring fans.

By the way, have you seen "Freeway"?

I was being totally facetious about the objectification. I'm only admitting this now because...











...because I ran out of bullshit.


Is "Freeway" a good film?

[JimC]

There is still a lot of work to be done in the west. Just google #justiceforched, and look at the twitter feed to see how much.
The problem with the likes of skepchicks is that they caricature the problem, and themselves.

Right. To be clear, I am not making a case for skepchick apologism here. I am saying there is a case for legitimate, pro-equality feminism, which the likes of the Pharyngula crowd and the skepchicks are making a mockery of.

I agree with that, but also agree with CES that problems for women in many 3rd world countries, particularly islamic ones, are vastly worse that the remaining issues for western women...

[cogwheel]

There is still a lot of work to be done in the west. Just google #justiceforched, and look at the twitter feed to see how much.
The problem with the likes of skepchicks is that they caricature the problem, and themselves.

Right. To be clear, I am not making a case for skepchick apologism here. I am saying there is a case for legitimate, pro-equality feminism, which the likes of the Pharyngula crowd and the skepchicks are making a mockery of.

I agree with that, but also agree with CES that problems for women in many 3rd world countries, particularly islamic ones, are vastly worse that the remaining issues for western women...

What's the point in pointing that out though? CES is coming at this from a "there's nothing we can do anymore, let's stop trying" standpoint. Are you agreeing that "other people have it worse" is a valid reason NOT to address problems WE have?

[JimC]

There is still a lot of work to be done in the west. Just google #justiceforched, and look at the twitter feed to see how much.
The problem with the likes of skepchicks is that they caricature the problem, and themselves.

Right. To be clear, I am not making a case for skepchick apologism here. I am saying there is a case for legitimate, pro-equality feminism, which the likes of the Pharyngula crowd and the skepchicks are making a mockery of.

I agree with that, but also agree with CES that problems for women in many 3rd world countries, particularly islamic ones, are vastly worse that the remaining issues for western women...

What's the point in pointing that out though? CES is coming at this from a "there's nothing we can do anymore, let's stop trying" standpoint. Are you agreeing that "other people have it worse" is a valid reason NOT to address problems WE have?

The main "point" is simply that it's true...

It may also give a little perspective to the more hysterical rants of the extreme feminist brigade.

However, by agreeing with Wumbo, I rather thought it would have been obvious that I would support whatever additional action is required to continue the very real trend towards removing any remaining hurdles for women, in the prosaic but important areas such as child-care etc.

[cogwheel]

There is still a lot of work to be done in the west. Just google #justiceforched, and look at the twitter feed to see how much.
The problem with the likes of skepchicks is that they caricature the problem, and themselves.

Right. To be clear, I am not making a case for skepchick apologism here. I am saying there is a case for legitimate, pro-equality feminism, which the likes of the Pharyngula crowd and the skepchicks are making a mockery of.

I agree with that, but also agree with CES that problems for women in many 3rd world countries, particularly islamic ones, are vastly worse that the remaining issues for western women...

What's the point in pointing that out though? CES is coming at this from a "there's nothing we can do anymore, let's stop trying" standpoint. Are you agreeing that "other people have it worse" is a valid reason NOT to address problems WE have?

The main "point" is simply that it's true...

But CES was only bringing it up in the first place as support for the idea that sexism is a solved problem in the west. Otherwise it's a red herring to the discussion.

It may also give a little perspective to the more hysterical rants of the extreme feminist brigade.

they'd LOVE for you to "give a little perspective" i'm sure

However, by agreeing with Wumbo, I rather thought it would have been obvious that I would support whatever additional action is required to continue the very real trend towards removing any remaining hurdles for women, in the prosaic but important areas such as child-care etc.

I get that, I just didn't understand the angle you were coming from with supporting CES' statements...