So, PZ is a stone-cold racist.

[hadespussercats]

That still doesn't make it trolling.

Guys, it was trolling.

I'm not looking to hash it out any more, but let's call a spade a spade.

"trolling" is not synonymous with "inflammatory." Most people who cry "troll" are trying to make just that conflation. It was dickish, it was blunt, it was rude, it was insensitive, it was tasteless, but it was not trolling.

Trolling USED to have a well-defined meaning, but over the last few years people have just turned it into "saying anything offensive or provocative."

Nothing personal, i'm just really sick of people throwing around labels because they happen to be popular.

I hear you.

I'm using the sense introduced by the new poster.

I'll try to get quote.

But I get what you're saying. I like to try to keep meanings precise when I can, as well.

[hadespussercats]

That still doesn't make it trolling.

Guys, it was trolling.

I'm not looking to hash it out any more, but let's call a spade a spade.

"trolling" is not synonymous with "inflammatory." Most people who cry "troll" are trying to make just that conflation. It was dickish, it was blunt, it was rude, it was insensitive, it was tasteless, but it was not trolling.

Trolling USED to have a well-defined meaning, but over the last few years people have just turned it into "saying anything offensive or provocative."

Nothing personal, i'm just really sick of people throwing around labels because they happen to be popular.

I hear you.

I'm using the sense introduced by the new poster.

I'll try to get quote.

But I get what you're saying. I like to try to keep meanings precise when I can, as well.

here's the quote:

I don't think you can define all offensive language as trolling. A post intended for the purposes of deliberately antagonizing someone is.

[hadespussercats]

I'm not attracted to the majority of black women. I'm not racist. So fucking what?

Huh?

I like lentils. I'm not from Bombay.

[Bella Fortuna]

That still doesn't make it trolling.

Guys, it was trolling.

I'm not looking to hash it out any more, but let's call a spade a spade.

"trolling" is not synonymous with "inflammatory." Most people who cry "troll" are trying to make just that conflation. It was dickish, it was blunt, it was rude, it was insensitive, it was tasteless, but it was not trolling.

Trolling USED to have a well-defined meaning, but over the last few years people have just turned it into "saying anything offensive or provocative."

Nothing personal, i'm just really sick of people throwing around labels because they happen to be popular.

I hear you.

I'm using the sense introduced by the new poster.

I'll try to get quote.

But I get what you're saying. I like to try to keep meanings precise when I can, as well.

here's the quote:

I don't think you can define all offensive language as trolling. A post intended for the purposes of deliberately antagonizing someone is.

Wouldn't that mean posting it where they definitely could see it? That post was in WW, yes, but it was rather happenstance that it caught anyone's attention. (just musing here)

[cogwheel]

I don't think you can define all offensive language as trolling. A post intended for the purposes of deliberately antagonizing someone is.

Yeah I wholeheartedly reject that simplistic definition

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll

[hadespussercats]

@Bella--

They had to go looking for it, yes.

But the thread could have been started in a place Google couldn't find, if the idea was that the skepchicks should never see what was being said.

Although there's something admirable about telling your offensive jokes right in front on the people who'd take offense. I feel iffy using this as a reference, but Carlos Mencia talked about it. If you hide it, that's when you know you're really being hateful.

I'm not sure of any of this. Like you, just musing.

[Badger3k]

I did not get the impression from PZ that he wanted his posts memory holed.

I guess that it was partly that he wanted to distance himself from the forum. The request was made in the context of personal attacks on him actually. He suggested it was "A simple solution".

Running away is always simple, but it's never a good solution.

Unless it's Zombies.

[laklak]

PZombies?

[Bella Fortuna]

I did not get the impression from PZ that he wanted his posts memory holed.

I guess that it was partly that he wanted to distance himself from the forum. The request was made in the context of personal attacks on him actually. He suggested it was "A simple solution".

Running away is always simple, but it's never a good solution.

Unless it's Zombies.

Stay tuned here in that case: http://www.facebook.com/groups/374937769236386/

[MiM]

If you think about Trolling in the fishing sense: "throwing out a bait and letting it hang after the boat to see what bites", I guess that could fit Pappas post fairly well

I guess he caught more than he bargained for, though.

[hadespussercats]

I don't think you can define all offensive language as trolling. A post intended for the purposes of deliberately antagonizing someone is.

Yeah I wholeheartedly reject that simplistic definition

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll

You know, I just realized that smiley looks really sarcastic. I meant it, though!

[Bella Fortuna]

I did not get the impression from PZ that he wanted his posts memory holed.

I guess that it was partly that he wanted to distance himself from the forum. The request was made in the context of personal attacks on him actually. He suggested it was "A simple solution".

Better that than the final solution...

[Rum]

I did not get the impression from PZ that he wanted his posts memory holed.

I guess that it was partly that he wanted to distance himself from the forum. The request was made in the context of personal attacks on him actually. He suggested it was "A simple solution".

Running away is always simple, but it's never a good solution.

Unless it's Zombies.

'Disengaging' let's call it rather than running away is actually a very good and essential solution on teh interwebz in my opinion.

[hadespussercats]

If you think about Trolling in the fishing sense: "throwing out a bait and letting it hang after the boat to see what bites", I guess that could fit Pappas post fairly well

I guess he caught more than he bargained for, though.

Yup.

[DaveD]

I did not get the impression from PZ that he wanted his posts memory holed.

I guess that it was partly that he wanted to distance himself from the forum. The request was made in the context of personal attacks on him actually. He suggested it was "A simple solution".

Better that than the final solution...