Rationalskepticism,lol part III.

[surreptitious57]

Or you could just take a leaf out of RatSkeps book and ban them and show them Nazis wont be tolerated instead of appeasing them
Its one thing to tolerate other viewpoints its another to tolerate the intolerable. We know where that leads

Two things. This is not RatSkep and freedom of speech is for everyone not just those whose voice you like the sound of. So strange as it might seem Nazis
[ both real and imaginary ] have as much right to self expression as anyone else. Furthermore the best way to defeat any point of view is by exposing it in
public. That does not equate to appeasement. The irony here is that the denying of free speech to some for ideological reasons that you are advocating is
one of the core tenets of Fascism. But you are under no obligation to read any thing here you do not like nor are you under any obligation to be a member
here either. And Seth and 007 are not Nazis anyway. Nazi and right wing or conservative are not mutually compatible terms. And so if you can not tolerate
right wing or conservative opinion maybe this is not the place for you. Seth and 007 have as much right to post here as anyone. So whether you agree with
their opinion or not is irrelevant. I believe in the First Amendment not in groupthink or echo chambers. Because they are the total opposite of free speech

[surreptitious57]

it leads to people with perfectly reasonable viewpoints being silenced until
there are no views permitted outside of a narrow range of acceptable ones

Whether the viewpoints are perfectly reasonable or not is irrelevant for all should be freely expressed
Free speech makes no distinction between the acceptable and the unacceptable. Only humans do this

[surreptitious57]

Calling another member a Nazi is a vicious personal attack that violates the FUA and for which you should be suspended

Given how thick skinned everybody here is then there is really no need to have any rule against personal attacks
There is plenty of name calling any way that is usually taken without offence which is another reason for no rule

[surreptitious57]

I am a biologist

and I am a male supermodel

You know Dave if you were a liberal no one would be questioning your occupation. However because you
are regarded by some here as Nazi scum this automatically makes you a liar. But I never felt the need to
doubt you. And neither do I now. And a more ridiculous example of a non sequitur would be hard to find

[NineBerry]

I am a biologist. And so is my wife!

[Brian Peacock]

[Seth]

Calling another member a Nazi is a vicious personal attack that violates the FUA and for which you should be suspended

Given how thick skinned everybody here is then there is really no need to have any rule against personal attacks
There is plenty of name calling any way that is usually taken without offence which is another reason for no rule

Well of course I agree with you fully, but the problem is that when there is moderation here it is only exercised against those who express right-of-center political viewpoints.

I've reported nearly a dozen direct personal attacks in the last week or so and absolutely nothing has been done about them except to dismiss them. I get the email saying it's been dealt with, but clearly its not by sanctioning those (animavore and Feck in particular) who are doing it.

But, If I were to say to either of them what they have said to me I would be INSTANTLY suspended for the maximum amount of time without any warning or opportunity to argue my case at all. I've even been suspended for voicing objections to a particular moderator's misuse of power, since it seems that being critical of a moderator's improper actions is deemed to be a personal attack in and of itself. If one cannot be critical of the moderation that is taking place without being suspended this is just an ordinary run-of-the-mill dictatorship and unworthy of respect.

I really don't care if there's no personal attack rule or not, though I prefer to fight my own battles in that regard, but I do strenuously object to biased moderation, something which is clearly a cancer imported here from RatSkep.

[surreptitious57]

Jim should just leave you alone and let you say what ever you want just the same as everybody else
There is no excuse for singling you out just because you happen to express opinions he does not like
There is a healthy balance here between left and right so nothing should be done to undermine this

[Seth]

Jim should just leave you alone and let you say what ever you want just the same as everybody else
There is no excuse for singling you out just because you happen to express opinions he does not like
There is a healthy balance here between left and right so nothing should be done to undermine this

Yes, he should. But in the past he's made it his special project to ban me and has made no bones about his antipathy towards me and his intent to do so again if given the slightest and even imaginary provocation.

Therefore my ability to speak freely is seriously constrained and infringed here, just as it was at RatSkep, so I have to be very, very careful not to respond in kind to personal attacks, whereas any leftist member of the forum has a free pass to say whatever they like.

Sad, really, but not unexpected. Liberals have never been tolerant of free speech. They only tolerate THEIR speech, as animavore and Feck so clearly illustrate.

[Brian Peacock]

Jim should just leave you alone and let you say what ever you want just the same as everybody else
There is no excuse for singling you out just because you happen to express opinions he does not like
There is a healthy balance here between left and right so nothing should be done to undermine this

Remember you're only getting one side of the story here Mr 57.

[surreptitious57]

Jim should just leave you alone and let you say what ever you want just the same as everybody else
There is no excuse for singling you out just because you happen to express opinions he does not like
There is a healthy balance here between left and right so nothing should be done to undermine this

Remember you re only getting one side of the story here Mr 57

My point still stands however. The forum could have no rules
on personal attack and still function more or less as it is now

[surreptitious57]

Liberals have never been tolerant of free speech. They only tolerate THEIR speech as animavore and Feck so clearly illustrate

Not true as I am very tolerant of free speech. And particularly the free speech of those who think differently to me
I do not believe in denying anyone their right to self expression whoever they may be or whatever they have to say

[Seth]

Jim should just leave you alone and let you say what ever you want just the same as everybody else
There is no excuse for singling you out just because you happen to express opinions he does not like
There is a healthy balance here between left and right so nothing should be done to undermine this

Remember you're only getting one side of the story here Mr 57.

That's because there is no other side of the story. Things are exactly as I have described them and it's indefensible behavior.

[Seth]

Liberals have never been tolerant of free speech. They only tolerate THEIR speech as animavore and Feck so clearly illustrate

Not true as I am very tolerant of free speech. And particularly the free speech of those who think differently to me
I do not believe in denying anyone their right to self expression whoever they may be or whatever they have to say

Then you are one of an exceedingly small number of liberals and I commend you. You're just about the only one around here though.

[Brian Peacock]

Jim should just leave you alone and let you say what ever you want just the same as everybody else
There is no excuse for singling you out just because you happen to express opinions he does not like
There is a healthy balance here between left and right so nothing should be done to undermine this

Remember you re only getting one side of the story here Mr 57

My point still stands however. The forum could have no rules
on personal attack and still function more or less as it is now

Sure, if that was your point then fair enough.