Since we've got Norse folk here...

[Svartalf]

Just a little stupid question.

I'm used to modern Icelandic pronouncing everything spelled "LL" like it was "TL" (Egill SkaTLgimsson, ThingveTLir, VatnaJöküTL... etc)...

Do other Norse languages, Swedish, Danish, NYnorsk etc have the same mannerism? I'm always troubled when I see that doulble L spelling in Sc andinavian languages because I'm never sure how to pronounce it.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Just a little stupid question.

I'm used to modern Icelandic pronouncing everything spelled "LL" like it was "TL" (Egill SkaTLgimsson, ThingveTLir, VatnaJöküTL... etc)...

Do other Norse languages, Swedish, Danish, NYnorsk etc have the same mannerism? I'm always troubled when I see that doulble L spelling in Sc andinavian languages because I'm never sure how to pronounce it.

I don't think that's Normal.

[normal]

Do they really pronounce it TL on Iceland? I was sure it was pronounced just the same as in English.

Well, in Scandinavia LL is pronounced LL like in taller, caller, tiller. Only in a more Scandinavian way than English =P

I'll have to make a sound recording to explain this

[AshtonBlack]

Do they really pronounce it TL on Iceland? I was sure it was pronounced just the same as in English.

Well, in Scandinavia LL is pronounced LL like in taller, caller, tiller. Only in a more Scandinavian way than English =P

I'll have to make a sound recording to explain this

Then do it, damn polyglot!

[normal]

Do they really pronounce it TL on Iceland? I was sure it was pronounced just the same as in English.

Well, in Scandinavia LL is pronounced LL like in taller, caller, tiller. Only in a more Scandinavian way than English =P

I'll have to make a sound recording to explain this

Then do it, damn polyglot!

But I'm at work with no microphone, you damn monolingual individual!

[Svartalf]

Do they really pronounce it TL on Iceland? I was sure it was pronounced just the same as in English.

Well, in Scandinavia LL is pronounced LL like in taller, caller, tiller. Only in a more Scandinavian way than English =P

I'll have to make a sound recording to explain this

My professor of Norse studies in college was quite definite on it... took me some time to get the mannerism too, and he applied it quite systematically when using Icelandic, which was his prime specialty (though I'm sure he also had excellent Bokmal and Swedish) .

I never got to asking him when and why the shift happened (as I left the university earlier than I had counted on), but I'm definite on it, and there's no way a Frenchman or ordinary Germanist would have invented such a weird mannerism on his own.

[Azathoth]

It isn't systematic. That would be far too easy for Icelandic. The pronunciation of LL depends on the word. For instance the LL in sæll is the hard LL you have described whereas the LL in Halli is softer and more like a HL sound. Are there rules as to when to use which? Not a fucking chance. Utter sod of a language

[Ironclad]

Down here on the Devon - Cornwall border words with (and especially ending in) 'LL' are sounded as 'W'.
For example; Football is largely pronounced Foot-bow; Cornwall is pronounced Corn-woe; Goldfish bowl (hahahahahahahaaaa) is pronounced Goad-fish-bow

Accents are one thing but to my refined ears this is a speech-impediment. Rude huh..

Sorry Cornwoe

[Azathoth]

That isn't a speech impediment that's just slurring from all the scrumpy

[Ironclad]

Bless them Cone-ish

[Svartalf]

Down here on the Devon - Cornwall border words with (and especially ending in) 'LL' are sounded as 'W'.
For example; Football is largely pronounced Foot-bow; Cornwall is pronounced Corn-woe; Goldfish bowl (hahahahahahahaaaa) is pronounced Goad-fish-bow

Accents are one thing but to my refined ears this is a speech-impediment. Rude huh..

Sorry Cornwoe

good thing you're not on the Welsh side... their version of LL is even weirder.
And I used to have good Cornish friends, so please don't dump on them... or I'll call you a devonian fossil Archeichtys and other nice names too

[Deep Sea Isopod]

That isn't a speech impediment that's just slurring from all the scrumpy

They downt tork propper, do um.

[Pappa]

Down here on the Devon - Cornwall border words with (and especially ending in) 'LL' are sounded as 'W'.
For example; Football is largely pronounced Foot-bow; Cornwall is pronounced Corn-woe; Goldfish bowl (hahahahahahahaaaa) is pronounced Goad-fish-bow

Accents are one thing but to my refined ears this is a speech-impediment. Rude huh..

Sorry Cornwoe

good thing you're not on the Welsh side... their version of LL is even weirder.
And I used to have good Cornish friends, so please don't dump on them... or I'll call you a devonian fossil Archeichtys and other nice names too

Ll is a different letter in Welsh (specifically a digraph), it juts happens to use the symbol used in English for L. Welsh has 8 digraphs, Ch, Dd, Ff, Ll, Ng, Ph, Rh, Th.

[FBM]

I don't know what the hell y'all are talking about but I find it fascinating, nonetheless. Where I grew up, 'y'all' (rhymes with 'ball') is pronounced 'y'aw' (rhymes with 'saw', except in BrE, but their pronunciations are fucked up in the first place).

[Berthold]

good thing you're not on the Welsh side... their version of LL is even weirder.

I once saw a jocular picture where a Welsh poet holds a recital in a lecture hall, and the person sitting in the middle of the front row holds up an umbrella.