Do You Miss Subtext In Movies?

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Do You Miss Subtext In Movies?

Post by pErvinalia » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:53 am

I do. I just never see it. What about you? And what are some movies with alleged subtext?

Here's a couple:

Robocop was American Jesus (heard the director specify that explicitly)
Sauron in lord of the rings was a giant vagina. So it was supposedly sexual. And Frodo and Sam are gay.
Avatar was an example of a common theme in movies where enlightened Westerners become the saviour of indigenous cultures. I didn't even notice that when I first watched it.

One I do almost always notice, because I hate it, is the 'accidental hero'. It's why I hated the Harry Potter books (Hermoine is the talented one who does most of the saving of the day (at least in the early story)).

Actually, that last one isn't really a subtext. it's a theme.
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Re: Do You Miss Subtext In Movies?

Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:45 am

Guardians of the Galaxy: girls are warriors but boys are best.
Guardians of the Galaxy II: toxic masculinity infantilises men.
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Re: Do You Miss Subtext In Movies?

Post by NineBerry » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:49 am

Sam and Frodo aren't gay. I never heard them mentioning Barbra Streisand once.

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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:55 am

Sam wanted to put his finger in Frodo's ring.
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Post by NineBerry » Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:10 pm

But when he returned home, he married a woman and had a million children.

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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:27 pm

Being openly gay back then was frowned upon.
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Post by Hermit » Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:02 pm

Subtext is supposed to be subliminal. If you see it, it is no longer subtext.
So you talk about mobs and the working classes as if they were the question. You've got that eternal idiotic idea that if anarchy came it would come from the poor. Why should it? The poor have been rebels, but they have never been anarchists; they have more interest than anyone else in there being some decent government. The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all. Aristocrats were always anarchists. - G.K. Chesterton

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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:50 pm

Subtext is any content of a creative work which is not announced explicitly by the characters or author, but is implicit or becomes something understood by the observer of the work as the production unfolds.
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Re: Do You Miss Subtext In Movies?

Post by Hermit » Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:32 pm

pErvinalia wrote:
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Subtext is any content of a creative work which is not announced explicitly by the characters or author, but is implicit or becomes something understood by the observer of the work as the production unfolds.
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That's the meaning of subtext as intellectual arthouse cinema dilettantes employ it. I gave you the political one, the way Goebbels employed it. he audience was meant to walk out at the end of the movie they watched, feeling happy and having been entertained, while unknowingly having Aryan values and a disgust of Semites encouraged or reinforced. Apart from one notable misstep, The Eternal Jew, the film industry Goebbels was in charge of churned out one wholesome looking and entertaining feature film after another. The subtext in each was, as it were, subliminal.
So you talk about mobs and the working classes as if they were the question. You've got that eternal idiotic idea that if anarchy came it would come from the poor. Why should it? The poor have been rebels, but they have never been anarchists; they have more interest than anyone else in there being some decent government. The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all. Aristocrats were always anarchists. - G.K. Chesterton

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Re: Do You Miss Subtext In Movies?

Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:05 pm

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Re: Do You Miss Subtext In Movies?

Post by JimC » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:00 pm

It's only subliminal to the uneducated masses. Elites like Ratzians can spot them in a trice... :tea:
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Post by JimC » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:02 pm

And there should be a beauty contest for "Miss Subtext". It will be won by a transgender goth person studying semiotics...
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Re: Do You Miss Subtext In Movies?

Post by Tero » Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:59 am

You mean that Monty Python the golden age of ballooning was not about ballooning?
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Re: Do You Miss Subtext In Movies?

Post by Hermit » Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:02 am

JimC wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:02 pm
And there should be a beauty contest for "Miss Subtext". It will be won by a transgender goth person studying semiotics...
Give yourself a week's suspension on grounds of unacceptably insulting subtext, Jocka.
So you talk about mobs and the working classes as if they were the question. You've got that eternal idiotic idea that if anarchy came it would come from the poor. Why should it? The poor have been rebels, but they have never been anarchists; they have more interest than anyone else in there being some decent government. The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all. Aristocrats were always anarchists. - G.K. Chesterton

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Re: Do You Miss Subtext In Movies?

Post by JimC » Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:14 am

Hermit wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:02 am
JimC wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:02 pm
And there should be a beauty contest for "Miss Subtext". It will be won by a transgender goth person studying semiotics...
Give yourself a week's suspension on grounds of unacceptably insulting subtext, Jocka.
Don't tell me, you're considering the op, have died your hair black and have started an on-line course on semiotics from the University of Wollongong...
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