"shall" vs "will"?

[Svartalf]

I shall never stop using shall, e'en if the gates of Will yawn open before me.

Sometimes you sound so BRITISH!

There's a lotr of Brit in me mind.

mostly rum, sodomy and the lash, neh?

[Svartalf]

Why am I reading this?

You're exceedingly bored.

[Svartalf]

Screw it. The new word incorporating both is shill. Yes, I know that's already a word, and I don't care. We're taking it now. You shill use it and like it!

You're the shill for an abomination and shall be spanked

[Clinton Huxley]

Lets not shilly-shally about all this.

[John_fi_Skye]

When it's the "normal" future tense ("future indicative active"), "shall" is first person, while "will" is second and third.

"I shall try it tomorrow."
"You will find this the best way to do it."
"He will start painting the house on Tuesday."

When it's implying determination that something must (or must not) happen, it's the other way round.

"I will never allow it."
"You shall do as I say."
"They shall not pass."

Having said all that, it's true that "shall" is indeed fading out, and becoming archaic.

That's how I was taught it too, though I must admit that the teacher was old already in the mid 80s, and that I had to wait till after I left secondary education for the subject to even get broached... before then, "will" was the only way we were taught.

Are you sayin that here in Scotland we speak English right?

[JimC]

"We shall not, we shall not be moved..."

I do find myself using it occasionally, because I was educated at one of our "Public" schools which had pretensions of being somewhat Etonian... Pappa's point, I suppose...

I shall probably never lose some of that influence...

[Audley Strange]

As far as I'm aware (cba reading the thread sorry) "shall" is relevant to responding to a request, "will" pertains to a command, both have different levels of responsibility implied dependent on obligation.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I shall use what words I will.

[John_fi_Skye]

Suck my chalet.

[Svartalf]

When it's the "normal" future tense ("future indicative active"), "shall" is first person, while "will" is second and third.

"I shall try it tomorrow."
"You will find this the best way to do it."
"He will start painting the house on Tuesday."

When it's implying determination that something must (or must not) happen, it's the other way round.

"I will never allow it."
"You shall do as I say."
"They shall not pass."

Having said all that, it's true that "shall" is indeed fading out, and becoming archaic.

That's how I was taught it too, though I must admit that the teacher was old already in the mid 80s, and that I had to wait till after I left secondary education for the subject to even get broached... before then, "will" was the only way we were taught.

Are you sayin that here in Scotland we speak English right?

Och aye, mayhap I was spaykin summat towar such a maynin'.

[John_fi_Skye]

Dinnae ivvar gie up on yer Scots, Svartalf! Ye're a star!

(Nivver afore met a Frenchie sae keen on the Scots leid! Vive the Auld Alliance!)

[Faithfree]

I think we should go back to 'shalt' and 'wilt'.

[Svartalf]

Dinnae ivvar gie up on yer Scots, Svartalf! Ye're a star!

(Nivver afore met a Frenchie sae keen on the Scots leid! Vive the Auld Alliance!)

Gie ye yer thanks tae me godfather whae happens tae hail frae Aberdeen... jist ne'er mention the word 'sheep' afront o' him.

[Svartalf]

I think we should go back to 'shalt' and 'wilt'.

Thou shalt nae take the English language 5 centuries back into the past.

[Clinton Huxley]

I think we should go back to 'shalt' and 'wilt'.

Thou shalt nae take the English language 5 centuries back into the past.

A regression of 150 years would be more than sufficient.