"shall" vs "will"?

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Re: "shall" vs "will"?

Post by Svartalf » Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:09 am

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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:I shall never stop using shall, e'en if the gates of Will yawn open before me.
:tup: Sometimes you sound so BRITISH! :td:
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Re: "shall" vs "will"?

Post by Svartalf » Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:11 am

Bella Fortuna wrote:Screw it. The new word incorporating both is shill. Yes, I know that's already a word, and I don't care. We're taking it now. You shill use it and like it!
You're the shill for an abomination and shall be spanked :paddle:
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Re: "shall" vs "will"?

Post by Clinton Huxley » Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:29 am

Lets not shilly-shally about all this.
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Re: "shall" vs "will"?

Post by John_fi_Skye » Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:45 am

Svartalf wrote:
John_fi_Skye wrote:When it's the "normal" future tense ("future indicative active"), "shall" is first person, while "will" is second and third.

"I shall try it tomorrow."
"You will find this the best way to do it."
"He will start painting the house on Tuesday."

When it's implying determination that something must (or must not) happen, it's the other way round.

"I will never allow it."
"You shall do as I say."
"They shall not pass."

Having said all that, it's true that "shall" is indeed fading out, and becoming archaic.
That's how I was taught it too, though I must admit that the teacher was old already in the mid 80s, and that I had to wait till after I left secondary education for the subject to even get broached... before then, "will" was the only way we were taught.
Are you sayin that here in Scotland we speak English right? :toetap:
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Re: "shall" vs "will"?

Post by JimC » Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:53 am

"We shall not, we shall not be moved..."

I do find myself using it occasionally, because I was educated at one of our "Public" schools which had pretensions of being somewhat Etonian... Pappa's point, I suppose...

I shall probably never lose some of that influence...
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Post by Audley Strange » Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:04 am

As far as I'm aware (cba reading the thread sorry) "shall" is relevant to responding to a request, "will" pertains to a command, both have different levels of responsibility implied dependent on obligation.
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Re: "shall" vs "will"?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:28 am

I shall use what words I will.
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Post by John_fi_Skye » Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:10 pm

Suck my chalet.
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Post by Svartalf » Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:14 pm

John_fi_Skye wrote:
Svartalf wrote:
John_fi_Skye wrote:When it's the "normal" future tense ("future indicative active"), "shall" is first person, while "will" is second and third.

"I shall try it tomorrow."
"You will find this the best way to do it."
"He will start painting the house on Tuesday."

When it's implying determination that something must (or must not) happen, it's the other way round.

"I will never allow it."
"You shall do as I say."
"They shall not pass."

Having said all that, it's true that "shall" is indeed fading out, and becoming archaic.
That's how I was taught it too, though I must admit that the teacher was old already in the mid 80s, and that I had to wait till after I left secondary education for the subject to even get broached... before then, "will" was the only way we were taught.
Are you sayin that here in Scotland we speak English right? :toetap:
Och aye, mayhap I was spaykin summat towar such a maynin'.
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Re: "shall" vs "will"?

Post by John_fi_Skye » Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:43 pm

Dinnae ivvar gie up on yer Scots, Svartalf! Ye're a star! :tup:

(Nivver afore met a Frenchie sae keen on the Scots leid! Vive the Auld Alliance!)
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Re: "shall" vs "will"?

Post by Faithfree » Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:21 pm

I think we should go back to 'shalt' and 'wilt'. :zilla:
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Re: "shall" vs "will"?

Post by Svartalf » Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:29 pm

John_fi_Skye wrote:Dinnae ivvar gie up on yer Scots, Svartalf! Ye're a star! :tup:

(Nivver afore met a Frenchie sae keen on the Scots leid! Vive the Auld Alliance!)
Gie ye yer thanks tae me godfather whae happens tae hail frae Aberdeen... jist ne'er mention the word 'sheep' afront o' him.
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Post by Svartalf » Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:30 pm

Faithfree wrote:I think we should go back to 'shalt' and 'wilt'. :zilla:
Thou shalt nae take the English language 5 centuries back into the past.
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Re: "shall" vs "will"?

Post by Clinton Huxley » Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:38 pm

Svartalf wrote:
Faithfree wrote:I think we should go back to 'shalt' and 'wilt'. :zilla:
Thou shalt nae take the English language 5 centuries back into the past.
A regression of 150 years would be more than sufficient.
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I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled"

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