Do Women Deserve The Vote?

[Cormac]

we should all be kept the fuck away from the ballot boxes.

...taking us back to feudalism or saddling us with more modern forms of dictatorships. No, thanks.

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

"...democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."

Both by Winston Churchill

Winston Churchill was not trying to run a hyper-complex society on the verge of becoming a space faring civilization. He was right for his times. We need a true technocratic elite now who can push through hard decisions like nuclear reactors and moving people out of climatic change danger spots decades or more before they become apparent to the average voter. Democracy only works with a informed electorate and as issues become more complex it becomes less likely those with a IQ below a hundred and twenty five will have the wit to resolve what is for the best and what is suicide. Forms of democracy can exist within the elite but the average sheeple must bargh! and not be heard.

We are perilously close to that kind of government in Ireland, actually.

If it arises, that will be enough for me to begin revolutionary activity. I would actively fight to overturn any undemocratic government of my country. We've done it before, we'd do it again.

That's the Irish way though isn't it. A couple of decades of peace and then find some reason to start blowing things up. Like putting cool heads in charge of the show? Keep it off the mainland this time, eh?

Unfortunately, cool heads have never been found on our neighbouring isle either... genocidal imperialists though...that is another matter.

See - anyone can be a jingoistic prick when they try...

[cronus]

If we need to start digging up bodies there are enough to go around. I fully realize we need armed resistance from malicious tyranny but that does not mean democracy is a workable solution to the coming 'Seldon Crisis' here, there or anywhere.

[Cormac]

If we need to start digging up bodies there are enough to go around. I fully realize we need armed resistance from malicious tyranny but that does not mean democracy is a workable solution to the coming 'Seldon Crisis' here, there or anywhere.

Indeed. Many many more on your side than "mine".

Democracy is indeed flawed, but Churchill's comment still applies.

Incidentally, technocrats are every bit as prone to error, and exposed to the reality of probability as are democrats.

Furthermore, being imbued with far greater power exposes them to even greater corrupting influences.

This is the very reason that Plato's republic was a moronic notion, in the end. (Apart from the fact that it was fascistic from nave to chops).

There is no such thing as a non-malicious tyranny, and this is why your technocratic government should never be allowed to see light of day.

[Svartalf]

98% of women are fully as stupid as the same proportion of men and as totally unworthy of voting, but that's the cynical misanthrope in me speaking.

[cronus]

I'm not saying there isn't risk in transitioning to a benevolent dictatorship what I am saying is there is inevitable change afoot. It can go many ways but democracy is not one of the viable options given the scope and complexity of issues now in the human domain. Democracy today becomes mob rule becomes anarchy becomes petty tribalism and die off. It is a retrograde force now.

[Audley Strange]

I've got to agree Scrump. A couple of days without Facebook and half our country would vote in Farage on a "kill all Jews" policy.

[Hermit]

we should all be kept the fuck away from the ballot boxes.

...taking us back to feudalism or saddling us with more modern forms of dictatorships. No, thanks.

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

"...democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."

Both by Winston Churchill

Winston Churchill was not trying to run a hyper-complex society on the verge of becoming a space faring civilization. He was right for his times. We need a true technocratic elite now who can push through hard decisions like nuclear reactors and moving people out of climatic change danger spots decades or more before they become apparent to the average voter. Democracy only works with a informed electorate and as issues become more complex it becomes less likely those with a IQ below a hundred and twenty five will have the wit to resolve what is for the best and what is suicide. Forms of democracy can exist within the elite but the average sheeple must bargh! and not be heard.

Governments by non-democratic elites have failed without exception. If we surrender our right to elect and to sack those who make decisions on our behalf, tyranny - from the left or the right - is inevitable, and rather than governing "for the good of all", the elite will be making decisions that perpetuates the privilege of the elite itself at best. At worst, it will play out one part of the disenfranchised proles against the other in order to get the upper hand on some other elite. "Oceania is at war with Eurasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia."

[cronus]

we should all be kept the fuck away from the ballot boxes.

...taking us back to feudalism or saddling us with more modern forms of dictatorships. No, thanks.

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

"...democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."

Both by Winston Churchill

Winston Churchill was not trying to run a hyper-complex society on the verge of becoming a space faring civilization. He was right for his times. We need a true technocratic elite now who can push through hard decisions like nuclear reactors and moving people out of climatic change danger spots decades or more before they become apparent to the average voter. Democracy only works with a informed electorate and as issues become more complex it becomes less likely those with a IQ below a hundred and twenty five will have the wit to resolve what is for the best and what is suicide. Forms of democracy can exist within the elite but the average sheeple must bargh! and not be heard.

Governments by non-democratic elites have failed without exception. If we surrender our right to elect and to sack those who make decisions on our behalf, tyranny - from the left or the right - is inevitable, and rather than governing "for the good of all", the elite will be making decisions that perpetuates the privilege of the elite itself at best. At worst, it will play out one part of the disenfranchised proles against the other in order to get the upper hand on some other elite. "Oceania is at war with Eurasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia."

Only need to get it right the once. Blackswans and KBO.

[Hermit]

Only need to get it right the once. Blackswans and KBO.

[cronus]

Only need to get it right the once. Blackswans and KBO.

Many times they must have got it wrong before they stumbled on a social form allowing the Ancient Egyptians enough social flex and inflex to build the pyramids.

[Tyrannical]

What's this talk about a benevolent dictator?

Democracy doesn't work, which is why our Founding Fathers warned against it and instituted a Republican form of government to avoid this messy mob rule. The Vote is not a right, it is a privilege that must be earned and maintained by pulling your own weight. No representation without adequate taxation so to speak. Because once the voting block of people that want things from the government surpasses the block of those paying for those things you get into serious economic trouble.

[hadespussercats]

I've got to agree Scrump. A couple of days without Facebook and half our country would vote in Farage on a "kill all Jews" policy.

When you say" half," are you referring to women?

[colubridae]

The Vote is not a right, it is a privilege that must be earned and maintained by pulling your own weight.

There are many forms of "pulling your own weight" that would be acceptable, but I have long held the view that this should be the next form of government.

Is there a name for such an 'earned' democracy?

Are there any flaws in it?

What are its disadvantages/advantages over 'straight' democracy?

Should the 'earning the vote' criteria be immutable?

Presumably such criteria would, in the first instance, be decided by 'straight' democracy.

edit: grammar

[cronus]

Give every one a vote and IQ test at the same time. The vote would be weighted according to the outcome of the IQ test.

[Tero]

Where is the parody?: Do women deserve to float?

(Witches/float/Python)