Preserving the stories in the babble.

[Deep Sea Isopod]

Hans Christian Andersen, Roald Dahl and Brothers Grimm wrote some great fairy tales.
Their stories are still around, and we tell them to the kids.

And then there are some lesser known religious/supernatural stories like:
Journey to the West
Warriors of the Rainbow
All have been immortalised in books.

Tha babble has also immortalised some fairy tales. Noah's Flood for example.
So this got me thunkin'. Would it be a shame to lose these stories? You know, like if religion fucked off! Could we still use these stories to tell to the kids at bed time?
Personally, I think Noah's Flood and the baby cheeses in the manger story is quite good for fairy tales. Maybe not as good as The Tin Soldier, The Pied Piper or Charlie and the Chocolate factory, but still good in their own little way.

I'm just kinda thunkin' out loud really. Wonderin' if I'm going senile or not for having such thoughts.

Yeah whip some guy with metal studded whips.
Stick a crown of thorns into his scalp.
Nail him up to a cross and leave him till he dies.

Kids just luv it.

Yep! Mind you, the original versions of the traditional fairy stories are pretty scary, till they got sanitised. Grimm's Cinderella, for example, where the sisters cut pieces of their feet off to fit the slipper, then later get their eyes pecked out by crows.

Most weren't written by the above authors, BTW, they were collected from much earlier folk tales. Charles Pierrot (sp? can't be arsed Googling) was the originator of a lot of them, in the 17th century, way before the more well-known writers.

I don't have a problem with telling buybull stories, as long as they're clearly understood to be fictional.

Having said that, I've just read a book called Brother Grimm by Craig Russell
It goes a bit into the origins of of the Grimm tales. I wasn't sure if it was true or not.

[PsychoSerenity]

Yep! Mind you, the original versions of the traditional fairy stories are pretty scary, till they got sanitised. Grimm's Cinderella, for example, where the sisters cut pieces of their feet off to fit the slipper, then later get their eyes pecked out by crows.

Most weren't written by the above authors, BTW, they were collected from much earlier folk tales. Charles Pierrot (sp? can't be arsed Googling) was the originator of a lot of them, in the 17th century, way before the more well-known writers.

I don't have a problem with telling buybull stories, as long as they're clearly understood to be fictional.

Having said that, I've just read a book called Brother Grimm by Craig Russell
It goes a bit into the origins of of the Grimm tales. I wasn't sure if it was true or not.

Yeah I've heard that many fairy tales used to be pretty horrific. Then the Victorians scrubbed them clean, and Disney coated them with sugar.

I think I must have heard some of the originals when I was young though, because I do vaguely remember something about the glass slipper being filled with blood as the sisters tried to force their feet in.

I would be nice to see some of the bible stories appearing in a book of fairy tales though.

[Ronja]

The original ending of Snow White is also pretty ghastly: upon hearing from the magic mirror that the prince's bride in the next kingdom is the fairest of them all, the evil queen rushes to the wedding. She is apprehended by the guards, given a pair of iron shoes, which have been heated red on the coal fire, and forced to dance herself to death.

[Pappa]

Does anyone know of an English translation of the bible that's as honest and brutal as the King James Version but as clear and readable as the modern watered down propaganda versions that seem so popular with Alpha course type evangelicals?

I've never been much of a fan of reading archaic English, so I really struggle with the KJV. Mostly I realise I've been looking at the words in sequence while daydreaming about something else

[Deep Sea Isopod]

Does anyone know of an English translation of the bible that's as honest and brutal as the King James Version but as clear and readable as the modern watered down propaganda versions that seem so popular with Alpha course type evangelicals?

I've never been much of a fan of reading archaic English, so I really struggle with the KJV. Mostly I realise I've been looking at the words in sequence while daydreaming about something else

Is this what you're after? :
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/kjv/index.htm

[Pappa]

Does anyone know of an English translation of the bible that's as honest and brutal as the King James Version but as clear and readable as the modern watered down propaganda versions that seem so popular with Alpha course type evangelicals?

I've never been much of a fan of reading archaic English, so I really struggle with the KJV. Mostly I realise I've been looking at the words in sequence while daydreaming about something else

Is this what you're after? :
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/kjv/index.htm

Isn't that just the standard KJV?

[Deep Sea Isopod]

Does anyone know of an English translation of the bible that's as honest and brutal as the King James Version but as clear and readable as the modern watered down propaganda versions that seem so popular with Alpha course type evangelicals?

I've never been much of a fan of reading archaic English, so I really struggle with the KJV. Mostly I realise I've been looking at the words in sequence while daydreaming about something else

Is this what you're after? :
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/kjv/index.htm

Isn't that just the standard KJV?

It's in English.

[Pappa]

Does anyone know of an English translation of the bible that's as honest and brutal as the King James Version but as clear and readable as the modern watered down propaganda versions that seem so popular with Alpha course type evangelicals?

I've never been much of a fan of reading archaic English, so I really struggle with the KJV. Mostly I realise I've been looking at the words in sequence while daydreaming about something else

Is this what you're after? :
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/kjv/index.htm

Isn't that just the standard KJV?

It's in English.

hehe...

[Tero]

Well, it lacks in fantasy a bit, I would put in boy Jeebus turning clay pigeons into real birds. It was in my first grade religin reader. Stuff like that. Plus there is cool stuff about John the baptist, didnt he lose his head? I never understood the Absalom story.

[Horwood Beer-Master]

[SebastianP]

Hans Christian Andersen, Roald Dahl and Brothers Grimm wrote some great fairy tales.
Their stories are still around, and we tell them to the kids.

And then there are some lesser known religious/supernatural stories like:
Journey to the West
Warriors of the Rainbow
All have been immortalised in books.

Tha babble has also immortalised some fairy tales. Noah's Flood for example.
So this got me thunkin'. Would it be a shame to lose these stories? You know, like if religion fucked off! Could we still use these stories to tell to the kids at bed time?
Personally, I think Noah's Flood and the baby cheeses in the manger story is quite good for fairy tales. Maybe not as good as The Tin Soldier, The Pied Piper or Charlie and the Chocolate factory, but still good in their own little way.

I'm just kinda thunkin' out loud really. Wonderin' if I'm going senile or not for having such thoughts.

The OT stories are so primal, so indelible, I have no doubt they would survive the collapse of religion. The language is beautiful, the tales address most of what comes into a human life and there are some cracking good epics there as well. So I vote "Yes".

[Loki]

Preserved in aspic would be good.

I'm getting right sick of people declaring it is not possible to appreciate the Merchant of Venice without a deep and profound knowledge of some ancient fiction.