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Re: The Cricket Thread: Second Innings

Post by Faithfree » Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:01 pm

The Aussies thought they were playing golf - lowest score wins - an easy mistake to make. The poms do it most times. :coffee:
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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Aug 07, 2015 9:36 pm

I feel sorry for people with tickets for the fourth day.
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Re: The Cricket Thread: Second Innings

Post by trdsf » Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:14 am

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
trdsf wrote:
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trdsf wrote:I should like to understand cricket--not least to ensure I've gotten all the jokes in Life, the Universe and Everything--but I think being an American (even with a little English heritage), I'm genetically incapable of it. The scoring system is only out-weirded by that used on QI.
1 point for 1 run. Yes, I can see how that might confuse an American. :tea:
Yes, well, that's not how they actually report scores now, is it? Like the recent Test Match between Bangladesh and South Africa, the BBC reports 246-8 and then calls it a draw. Doubleyou tee eff?
246 runs for 8 wickets in Bangladesh's first innings. After that, the match was rained off. Hence the draw. Simples.
So rather than cancel it, or postpone it for later, it's scored a draw? :thinks: Does not compute.
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Re: The Cricket Thread: Second Innings

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:48 am

trdsf wrote:
Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
trdsf wrote:
Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
trdsf wrote:I should like to understand cricket--not least to ensure I've gotten all the jokes in Life, the Universe and Everything--but I think being an American (even with a little English heritage), I'm genetically incapable of it. The scoring system is only out-weirded by that used on QI.
1 point for 1 run. Yes, I can see how that might confuse an American. :tea:
Yes, well, that's not how they actually report scores now, is it? Like the recent Test Match between Bangladesh and South Africa, the BBC reports 246-8 and then calls it a draw. Doubleyou tee eff?
246 runs for 8 wickets in Bangladesh's first innings. After that, the match was rained off. Hence the draw. Simples.
So rather than cancel it, or postpone it for later, it's scored a draw? :thinks: Does not compute.
You have 5 days to complete all 4 innings (or 3 if the last team to bat cannot win). If you can't finish in that time, the match is drawn.

A draw can be just as exciting as a win. Such as when Michael Atherton famously batted for 643 minutes to rescue a draw against South Africa. Or it can be a rain-affected washout, as in this case. But it's a part of the game.

A draw is not to be confused with a tie, obviously. A tie is where the match is completed but both teams score the same amount of runs. Ties are very rare in Cricket - especially in the long form of the game. They happen more regularly in one-day or 20-20 matches.

Now... Duckworth Lewis? :tea:
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Re: The Cricket Thread: Second Innings

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Aug 24, 2015 10:17 am

trdsf wrote:
Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
trdsf wrote:
Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
trdsf wrote:I should like to understand cricket--not least to ensure I've gotten all the jokes in Life, the Universe and Everything--but I think being an American (even with a little English heritage), I'm genetically incapable of it. The scoring system is only out-weirded by that used on QI.
1 point for 1 run. Yes, I can see how that might confuse an American. :tea:
Yes, well, that's not how they actually report scores now, is it? Like the recent Test Match between Bangladesh and South Africa, the BBC reports 246-8 and then calls it a draw. Doubleyou tee eff?
246 runs for 8 wickets in Bangladesh's first innings. After that, the match was rained off. Hence the draw. Simples.
So rather than cancel it, or postpone it for later, it's scored a draw? :thinks: Does not compute.
In part the reason for this is historical. The game was originally sport for enthusiastic gents and toffs, still reflected today in its formality and etiquette, who, being among the idle rich, would challenge each other, form invitation teams, and wager on the result. If no result was possible a draw was declared and everyone kept face. Matches were rescheduled of course, becuase a gentleman's reputation could be dependent on and appended by their wagers, but in the early days there was no league structure, no fixed teams or home and away matches etc and no championships were decided by results - rematches weren't really needed.

Another reason is meteorological - England's position on the gulf stream means it's weather is extremely unpredictable and there's no guarantee a rematch won't be rained out either, so declaring a draw is also pragmatic thing to do.

Of course, once the game had developed into a proper sport something had to be done to maintain the integrity of league structures and championship titles in the face of British weather, but cricket's traditional obsession with statistical bookkeeping, also a legacy of its antecedence in gaming, came to the rescue here, leading to the development of things like the Duckworth-Lewis method for determining a batting team's target score in a match interrupted by rain. Yes, in cricket you can win by scoring less than your opposition.
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Post by Hermit » Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:33 am

Brian Peacock wrote:The game was originally sport for enthusiastic gents and toffs, still reflected today in its formality and etiquette, who, being among the idle rich, would challenge each other, form invitation teams, and wager on the result. If no result was possible a draw was declared and everyone kept face. Matches were rescheduled of course, becuase a gentleman's reputation could be dependent on and appended by their wagers, but in the early days there was no league structure, no fixed teams or home and away matches etc and no championships were decided by results - rematches weren't really needed.
Matches were typically "played out" then. It did not matter how many days that would take. It's not as though anybody needed to be back at work on the farm or in a factory. A previously organised fox hunt might pose a bit of an inconvenience, though. Ah. Decisions. Decisions...

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Re: The Cricket Thread: Second Innings

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:05 pm

5 days fills the interminable gap between the jollities of weekends.
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Post by trdsf » Wed Aug 26, 2015 1:07 am

I think I'll stick with golf... I'll probably have another go at trying to wrap my head around cricket in a few months. And fail again.
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Post by JimC » Wed Aug 26, 2015 1:12 am

Losing 3 - 2 was certainly better than 4 - 1.

Or 5 - 0 :whistle:
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Re: The Cricket Thread: Second Innings

Post by klr » Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:03 pm

Dammit, you lucky Aussies narrowly escaped defeat against the Irish, thanks to the rain, and Messrs Duckworth & Lewis :lay:
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Re: The Cricket Thread: Second Innings

Post by klr » Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:39 pm

What carnage this morning. England scored at more than 8 runs an over. That was 20/20 pace, never mind One-Day. :shock:

Many, many, other records as well. Too many to mention. But the fun is over for a while, as Cook declared on 629/6, and South Africa are now in to bat.
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Re: The Cricket Thread: Second Innings

Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Jan 03, 2016 8:07 pm

Stoke the boilers!
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