Re: Metaphysics as an Error

[Comte de Saint-Germain]

Couldn't resist having the last word, could you CSG?

Perhaps a break from forum activities will give you time to think about it. I don't care how clever you thought your wording was, you were asked to drop the subject and you didn't. See you this time tomorrow.

I haven't needed or wanted the last word since I turned nine. I was - as was immediately obvious to, for one, SoS - trying to get the thread back on thread by commenting on metaphysics, specifically, solipsism which thusfar hadn't been brought up yet. The childish conduct of the administrators - I'm assuming the various decisions have the staff's support - has convinced me that this is not the platform to pursue this, or any other discussion. I shall be leaving this board, permanently, as of this moment unless this post is sufficient for the administrators to consider the decision to temporarily suspend my account a misunderstanding, in which case I'll reconsider. I don't hold grudges; A PM or email should be sufficient.

However, considering how the staff has dealt with this thread I very much doubt that anyone will be swallowing their pride on my account or on account what I have to contribute. Worse even, I have strong beliefs that they would prefer their own version of my words above my own interpretation. In either case, I have no intention of outliving my welcome in such a manner and thus, provided no such email or personal message appears, I take my leave. Salut.

P.S. Apologies to those who pursued this discussion in good faith of my continued appearance. I'm sure you'll do well without me, even though it does not seem that there is much in this thread - or forum - to do well with. I'm moving to rationalskepticism.org, I'll be checking out RD's new crib, and if all of that doesn't move out. Mayhap we will find each other there, perhaps in better company.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

I hope you find somewhere more to your liking.

[AshtonBlack]

TTFN.

[charlou]

[FedUpWithFaith]

What exactly happened, was Compte suspended or something? I saw a pretty combative discussion between him and Little Idiot but what I saw didn't warrant punishment. At least Comte was backing up his argument against LI. In any case, I thought we tolerated some name-calling here.

I remember Comte from RDF well and his leaving would be a loss here. He's a sharp kid, though very combative, opinionated and impetuous. He's one of the few people I recall from RDF who could actually carry on a thorough philosophical argument, though we often disagreed.

[Animavore]

Something to do with this I guess.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

What exactly happened, was Compte suspended or something? I saw a pretty combative discussion between him and Little Idiot but what I saw didn't warrant punishment. At least Comte was backing up his argument against LI. In any case, I thought we tolerated some name-calling here.

I remember Comte from RDF well and his leaving would be a loss here. He's a sharp kid, though very combative, opinionated and impetuous. He's one of the few people I recall from RDF who could actually carry on a thorough philosophical argument, though we often disagreed.

He was riding LI rotten over an accusation of plagiarism. The exchanges between the two of them were getting far too personal and they were both warned to drop it in the thread.

Comte's next post was seen by all of the staff present as a deliberate last jab and an attempt to goad a reaction from LI. While on topic and couched in philosophic terms, it once again mentioned plagiarism, the crux of the previous 3 or 4 pages of bickering. We had promised a suspension to either or both if they persisted and so that is what he got. If there was no intent to provoke LI on Comte's part, then he was the victim of not considering how his reply might be perceived. Either way, it was not a clever thing to post following an official warning to play nice or face suspension.

I have no desire for Comte to leave. I would much rather that he swallowed his pride on this and continue the debate. Up to him of course.

[charlou]

Personally, I'd like us to consider having a discussion area where members who want to can have heated exchanges without interference ... all those involved would consent to this by the act of participation in that area.

[Surendra Darathy]

Personally, I'd like us to consider having a discussion area where members who want to can have heated exchanges without interference ... all those involved would consent to this by the act of participation in that area.

This kind of scheme is not unheard of. I once visited a Christian board in which there was one subforum in which one was actually allowed to make critiques of religious matters. Within limits of course.

I don't know what the issues are in deciding to lock threads for a cooldown period. This generally seemed to work when the mods did this at RDnet.

[Little Idiot]

Note; this is genuinly intended to be on the topic of CdSG leaving, not the recent conflict between us, if mods think its not suitable in light of my recent warning, then sorry about that, and see you in 24 hrs

CdSG was making a big deal over his alegations, because thats his nature; he is well known for his combative nature and openly said so himself in many different threads. He is also well known for his egoism and pride. He's a smart kid, and given a few more years experience and a few inter-personal skills, he will turn out to be a force to be reckoned with in any debate and a great philosopher. He felt his personal attacks were justified, and blustered that he would quit if he was warned by the mods (words to that effect). When he was warned (as was I) he had to face the situation of his own making; he'd said he would leave, and risked a blow to the ego if he backed down.

Gotta admit, it would be worth a 24 hour ban to crack a joke or two at his expense <just to help put out the fires of egoism, honest>

IMO the mods have handled the events with patience and restraint.

[Little Idiot]

Personally, I'd like us to consider having a discussion area where members who want to can have heated exchanges without interference ... all those involved would consent to this by the act of participation in that area.

An invitation to take a thread into 'the zone' would be a bit like an invitation to meet a student after school by the bike sheds 'for a chat' .... If you go along, you know what to expect

[AshtonBlack]

Note; this is genuinly intended to be on the topic of CdSG leaving, not the recent conflict between us, if mods think its not suitable in light of my recent warning, then sorry about that, and see you in 24 hrs

CdSG was making a big deal over his alegations, because thats his nature; he is well known for his combative nature and openly said so himself in many different threads. He is also well known for his egoism and pride. He's a smart kid, and given a few more years experience and a few inter-personal skills, he will turn out to be a force to be reckoned with in any debate and a great philosopher. He felt his personal attacks were justified, and blustered that he would quit if he was warned by the mods (words to that effect). When he was warned (as was I) he had to face the situation of his own making; he'd said he would leave, and risked a blow to the ego if he backed down.

Gotta admit, it would be worth a 24 hour ban to crack a joke or two at his expense <just to help put out the fires of egoism, honest>

IMO the mods have handled the events with patience and restraint.

Thanks, plus lets face it, 24 hour suspension is not exactly Abu Graib is it?

I do like the idea of a "Bear Pit" with appropriate warnings though.

[Little Idiot]

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Thanks, plus lets face it, 24 hour suspension is not exactly Abu Graib is it?

I do like the idea of a "Bear Pit" with appropriate warnings though.

Exactly. 24 hours is about as serious as when I put my 3 year old on the naughty step for 3 minutes (OK you just smacked me in the face with a blunt weapon and drew blood, now you sit on the step - that will teach him! )

Anyone can in a fit of rage say 'if the mods do/don't do such and such then I will quit'
But at the end of the day the idea of mods is that they follow the rules and should not be subject to presure from the posters.
Anyone making '...or I'll quit' threats is making a situation for themselves.

[AshtonBlack]

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Thanks, plus lets face it, 24 hour suspension is not exactly Abu Graib is it?

I do like the idea of a "Bear Pit" with appropriate warnings though.

Exactly. 24 hours is about as serious as when I put my 3 year old on the naughty step for 3 minutes (OK you just smacked me in the face with a blunt weapon and drew blood, now you sit on the step - that will teach him! )

Anyone can in a fit of rage say 'if the mods do/don't do such and such then I will quit'
But at the end of the day the idea of mods is that they follow the rules and should not be subject to presure from the posters.
Anyone making '...or I'll quit' threats is making a situation for themselves.

Exactly. Oh well, each to their own and all that.... I am going to suggest a bear pit in the tech section though.

[FBM]

Personally, I'd like us to consider having a discussion area where members who want to can have heated exchanges without interference ... all those involved would consent to this by the act of participation in that area.

The Cage. Two Ratz enter; one Ratz leaves. :twisted:

I love this idea.