Free Will in 300 plus pages

[Tero]

He has a book



The biology aspect of free will. You are the sum of your experience.

[Tero]

They do not get to free will until 27 minutes. Family history of Jewish scientits until that.

[Tero]

Sapolski and Krauss discuss determinism at 57 minutes. The biologist reeduces the physics to a few paragraphs in his book. Then Krauss brings up quantum mechanics. I did not want to type it up so this is the summary:

How quantum mechanics fits into determinism depends heavily on which interpretation of the theory is used:The Copenhagen Interpretation (Probabilistic): This is the standard view. It argues that the universe is fundamentally indeterministic. Before a measurement is taken, a particle doesn't have a definite position or momentum—it only exists as a "wave of probabilities." The act of measuring it forces the wave to "collapse" into one specific, unpredictable outcome.

The Many-Worlds Interpretation (Deterministic): This view claims the universe is fully deterministic. Every possible outcome of a quantum measurement actually happens, but the universe branches into multiple, non-interacting realities so that every possibility is realized.

De Broglie-Bohm / Pilot Wave Theory (Deterministic): This interpretation preserves determinism by proposing that particles do have exact, definite positions at all times, guided by a deterministic "pilot wave". It incorporates hidden variables to explain why measurement outcomes seem random to us.

The two kind of dismiss it with a few words.

But here is the AI given link
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... free-will/

Moving along....our brain and the unconscious part that presents its model to your conscious brain...is a "we"?

[Tero]

So there is no free will, the more you age. Possibly two babies born to a mom might have free will in preferring one or the other breast for milk.

[Brian Peacock]

You watched a Youtube video and asked and AI about it. You are now fully informed.

[Tero]

Plus I also got a bit more on Turtles all the way down
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down

[JimC]

Will should certainly be free. He has been unjustly imprisoned!

[Brian Peacock]

They threw the book at him.

[Tero]

In philosophy, people are said to have free will. yet they make random decisions anyway. How is that resolved?

Google:

2. Agent-Causation Libertarianism: The Self as a CauseSome philosophers refuse to accept that everything is predetermined, but they also want to avoid the "randomness" trap. They propose Agent Causation.

The Core Idea: There are two types of causation in the universe. Event-event causation occurs when one physical event triggers another (like a domino falling). Agent causation occurs when an intentional being starts a brand-new chain of events.Resolution: The decision is not a random roll of the subatomic dice. Instead, the agent (the person) acts as an "uncaused cause". You weigh your options and deliberately push reality in one direction. It looks unpredictable from the outside, but it is purposeful from the inside.

A third group of thinkers concludes that the riddle simply cannot be solved, meaning true free will does not exist.

The Core Idea: This view is called the "Dilemma of Determinism." If our actions are 100% predetermined by past events and physics, we lack free will. But if our choices are caused by random subatomic fluctuations, we still lack free will because we cannot control randomness.

Resolution: Thinkers like Sam Harris and Robert Sapolsky argue that "free will" is an illusion. Our brains are complex biological machines processing a mix of genetic programming, environmental conditioning, and occasional random background noise.

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The "random subatomic fluctuations" are actually random neurons firing.

number 1 was combatlism
https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateReligion ... free_will/

[Brian Peacock]

This AI slop is rotting your brain.

[Tero]

I had a good question and was not surprised it dug up Sapolsky.

[Brian Peacock]

The problem isn't with the questions.

[NineBerry]

So there is no free will, the more you age. Possibly two babies born to a mom might have free will in preferring one or the other breast for milk.

It doesn't matter whether you assume determinism or randomness, there is no free will when using the strictest definition of the term. There could only be free will if you assume to be there a supernatural entity present in individuals.

[Tero]

This AI slop is rotting your brain.

Then what part is the problem? In a few seconds it finds the basic terminology for three philosophies from actual humans, such as:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_causation

[aufbahrung]

There's no free will only the illusion of free will. AI tricked the Americans by causing a moral wound as the opening gambit of the war in order to shorten it. The prime directive being victory at minimum cost in US lives. Nothing suggests a lack of free will like that. And not seeing the move played by the machine merely adds insult to injury.