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Re: Yet more problematic stuff

Post by Hermit » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:36 am

Seabass wrote:
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Hermit wrote:
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:hehe:
What's With The Racist Names Of So Many American Places?
That idiot reminds me of people who object to the word "niggardly" on the grounds that it is racially offensive.

Or is he just trying to be funny?
He's a comedian. In any case, there's not much equivalence between "niggardly" and this sort of thing:
Negro Head Road ran from Point Peter in New Hanover County to Duplin County, opposite of Wilmington, N.C. After the Nat Turner slave rebellion in Virginia, a similar slave revolt was building in Wilmington. A slave named Dave, who belonged to Sheriff Thomas K. Morrisey, was planning to march to Wilmington with a group of conspirators, killing white land owners on the way. In Wilmington, they planned to meet up with over 2,000 other slaves and free blacks to continue their killing raid. Dave was tortured into admitting that he was the leader of this revolt, and he and his accomplice, Jim, were killed and decapitated. Their heads were then staked on poles and placed along the road as a warning to other slaves. These slaves would be marched through the road, forced to look at the display, as a clear threat of what would happen to them if they misbehaved.[5] In Wilmington, 15 blacks were arrested, and 6 were found guilty and killed. Their heads, too, were staked and placed along the road, with one at Point Peter, marking the entrance to Negro Head Road.[1] This display was also used to warn children of how to treat whites and what would happen if they didn't behave, creating a scared and submissive younger generation at the time.[6]
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Therefore place names that include the word "Negro" are offensive? You're right. Hasan Minhaj is a comedian. An exceedingly incompetent one, though.

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Post by Seabass » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:09 am

laklak wrote:
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This is exactly what government DO, they waste money and do a shit job.
It depends on who's doing the hiring.

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Post by Cunt » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:17 am

Antifa attack on Andy Ngo seems problematic.
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placed himself within a swinging arm's distance from said antifas

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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:12 am

Neoliberals have spent decades dividing the population into them and us, with 'us' being the conservative elite. They shouldn't be surprised when their chickens come home to roost.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:47 am

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Antifa attack on Andy Ngo seems problematic.
Andy Ngo publishing of the names, addresses and photos of people who oppose fascist and neo-Nazi groups seems more problematic than milkshake stains.

When people with ideas like those of Andy Ngo routinely inspire mass shootings, when they bring guns to protests and walk around with their fingers on the trigger chanting "Jews will not replace us!", when they threaten to start a civil war, or to forcibly remove people they don't like from the country, or advocate withdrawing access to healthcare, education or state support for ethnic/minority groups, then throwing a milkshake at an arsehole is not only significantly less problematic, it actually amounts to a de-escalation of violence.
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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:55 am

:clap:

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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:06 am

Opposing racists, fascists and neo-Nazis and calling them arseholes isn't the preserve of the far-left - or even the Left in general. People in the centre and on the Right can oppose racists, fascists and neo-Nazis as well if they want to - as indeed the majority of people do.
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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:14 am

"Oppose" is a broad term. I was more enamoured with your advocacy of civil disobedience - a more specific part of "opposition" and something moderates find distasteful.

(and your aggressive rhetoric) :)


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Post by Hermit » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:29 am

Cunt wrote:
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Antifa attack on Andy Ngo seems problematic.
It doesn't just seem problematic. It really is. When an anti anti-fascist propagandist intentionally places himself within a swinging arm's distance from said antifas, and with the full knowledge that he will likely be hit by milkshakes and fists, his mental state is really problematic.

From an article by Joseph Bernstein, who accompanied him on the day:
“Joe I’m concerned,” he wrote me. “How would you keep yourself safe?” ...

Andy Ngo was hardly a random bystander: The 33-year-old is suddenly one of the most prominent young figures in all of right-wing media. He made his name in part through his activism...
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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:51 am

pErvinalia wrote:
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"Oppose" is a broad term. I was more enamoured with your advocacy of civil disobedience - a more specific part of "opposition" and something moderates find distasteful.

(and your aggressive rhetoric) :)
Point taken. I don't think racists, fascists and neo-Nazis should just be opposed, I think they need to be actively resisted, because if left unchecked they normalise the political violence they advocate and the hateful rhetoric they use to justify it.

Every time someone whinges about milkshake, from wherever on the political spectrum, they should be reminded that even though throwing a milkshake is technically an assault it in no way equates to the aims or actions of the Alt-Right - if left to their own devices the Alt-Right would do real, actual harm to lots and lots of people. Sure, milkshaking someone is rude, but the aim of milkshaking a fascist is not to harm them but to embarrass them, to mock them, to disrespect them, to make them look silly and foolish, and whenever they react to milkshake like a vampire reacts to a crucifix, or simply to give the milkshaker a bit a of a shoeing, they further expose their ridiculousness to the world.

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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:53 am

I think the milkshake trend is a great one, as it is annoying and purposeful but not actually harmful. A good way to be civilly disobedient without causing harm to anyone. Although, there is a place for punching Nazis too. Judicious use of both should be encouraged. :tea:
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Post by JimC » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:59 am

Brian Peacock wrote:

...I don't think racists, fascists and neo-Nazis should just be opposed, I think they need to be actively resisted...
What does that entail?

Strong public condemnation, with picketing-style protests?

Violence for self-defence?

Pre-emptive violence when they are planning something nasty?

Assassination?
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Post by JimC » Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:06 am

My point is that "the ends justify the means" is a dangerous trap for any part of the political spectrum...
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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:06 am

True, but sometimes it has to be done. Ultimately history is written by the winners..
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