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Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:08 am

Don't talk to me about hair cuts. :(
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:13 am

How about haircuts Brian? Were you a punk? I was a mod then hippie.
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Post by Hermit » Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:25 am

Joe wrote:
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There is no shame in a wig. They grace some of our most noble role models. :prof:

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Or something like that, :smoke:
The Dutch had the best nobility and the best wigs in the world.

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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:34 am

In the "Gouden Euw" they were not really popular as hats and ruffs were very much in fashion:

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Those men btw were not tall. Average 1.6m.
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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:03 am

How can dogs not have consciousness? My ex's dog sees my ex put food in her bowl. She's inside near the glass sliding door. The screen door is shut. She gets up and seeing the door is shut, immediately walks around the corner and goes out the open front door. She knows from experience that she can get out via either of the two doors. This implies memory recall and therefore internal representation of past events. How does a purely physical process in the absence of mental representation allow a dog to make choices like that?
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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:05 am

Contrast with the cat that only knows what is in front of its face.
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Post by Sean Hayden » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:20 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
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Don't talk to me about hair cuts. :(
:lol: It's time for me to think about getting a haircut. I'm pretty sure it's close to the middle of my back by now. I think I'll take it up to the shoulder or a little less.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:01 am

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Post by Rum » Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:09 am

pErvinalia wrote:
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How can dogs not have consciousness? My ex's dog sees my ex put food in her bowl. She's inside near the glass sliding door. The screen door is shut. She gets up and seeing the door is shut, immediately walks around the corner and goes out the open front door. She knows from experience that she can get out via either of the two doors. This implies memory recall and therefore internal representation of past events. How does a purely physical process in the absence of mental representation allow a dog to make choices like that?
Who says they don’t? I strongly suspect those who would like to assume animals generally aren’t conscious are those who are happy to accept the industrialised cruelty we impose on many species. I’m pretty damn sure my two are ‘aware’. (Well, one, not so much...)

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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:10 am

Yeah, I'm questioning the notion that they might not be conscious.

And then contrast that to the cat.
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Post by Rum » Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:33 am

I suppose that given hw strange our wn consciousness is (I think ‘strange’ is the right word) it isn’t surprising that we don’t understand it in other species.

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Post by Hermit » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:40 am

pErvinalia wrote:
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Contrast with the cat that only knows what is in front of its face.
Unlike dogs cats are beautiful, elegant and wise beyond measure. They also have a sense of playful humour that dogs totally lack.

Here's a demonstration of how their consciousness is superior to that of dogs. For the benefit of dumfucks who don't understand Catlish Chris Cohen provided a translation of what they say while playing a trick on one of their ilk.




Also, have you ever encountered the dog equivalent of Henri the feline existentialist philosopher?

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Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:04 pm

Rum wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:09 am
pErvinalia wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:03 am
How can dogs not have consciousness? My ex's dog sees my ex put food in her bowl. She's inside near the glass sliding door. The screen door is shut. She gets up and seeing the door is shut, immediately walks around the corner and goes out the open front door. She knows from experience that she can get out via either of the two doors. This implies memory recall and therefore internal representation of past events. How does a purely physical process in the absence of mental representation allow a dog to make choices like that?
Who says they don’t? I strongly suspect those who would like to assume animals generally aren’t conscious are those who are happy to accept the industrialised cruelty we impose on many species. I’m pretty damn sure my two are ‘aware’. (Well, one, not so much...)
Of course dog's have consciousness - and a self-aware consciousness t'boot. Ever watched a bitch with her pups?
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Post by Tero » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:30 pm

If i put coffee in a coffee maker and it makes 4 cups (american cups), and I grab the first two cups from the drip maker, is my first 2 cups stronger coffee than the remaining 2 cups? Assume amount of caffeine is the "stronger" measurement, not the tannins.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:36 pm

To call American coffee coffee is pushing it. I have had coffee with American ex-pats using American blends. They admit that Dutch coffee does present a problem due to its strength. For them just arriving here it was extremely strong. Now they find American coffee extremely weak and I agree.
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