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Re: Even more problematic stuff

Post by Cunt » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:42 pm

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freedom of speech abolished. In the next elections, held in November 1933, the NSDAP won 661 out of 661 seats. Gleichschaltung followed in 1935. The party flag officially became the German flag, Germany's Jews were stripped of their citizenship and the 1000 year reign of the third German empire commenced.
So you are arguing that things went to shit after the country lost the right to speak out against shit.

Imagine that.
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Re: Even more problematic stuff

Post by Hermit » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:48 pm

Svartalf wrote:
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George Carlin is quoted as saying that political correctness is fascism masquerading as manners.
George Carlin was a stand-up comedian. He was no good as a political or social analyst.
I still notice that PC IS a major restriction to freedom of speech... so Carlin might not have been so very far from the truth
Yes, PC is a restriction to freedom of speech. It is no more fascist than any other, though. In fact, it is less so. You can get prosecuted for libel, incitement to violence or shouting "fire" at the flicks. Carlin was using hyperbole for comical effect.
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Re: Even more problematic stuff

Post by Hermit » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:51 pm

Cunt wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:42 pm
Hermit wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:40 pm
freedom of speech abolished. In the next elections, held in November 1933, the NSDAP won 661 out of 661 seats. Gleichschaltung followed in 1935. The party flag officially became the German flag, Germany's Jews were stripped of their citizenship and the 1000 year reign of the third German empire commenced.
So you are arguing that things went to shit after the country lost the right to speak out against shit.
Huh? You snipped the bit where I explained how the opposite happened: "Hitler became Chancellor in January 1933 within the existing constitutional framework. Two months later he manipulated parliament to grant him the ability to govern without parliament via the emergency law, and only then was the end of freedom of speech abolished."
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Re: Even more problematic stuff

Post by Cunt » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:55 pm

He HAD to get rid of freedom of speech. That seems significant to me.

I'm suspicious every time I see some fearful ruler demand restrictions on speech.

Also very suspicious when the self-righteous insist that speech needs to be curtailed to protect someone else. Someone vulnerable. Someone who finds that speech IS violence.

Like that National Socialist Party you described.
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Re: Even more problematic stuff

Post by Hermit » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:59 pm

Cunt wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:55 pm
He HAD to get rid of freedom of speech. That seems significant to me.
You're missing the point of the argument. This is how it went:

Coito Two: If the person speaking about fascism isn't using force, there is zero justification for using any force against him or her.
Hermit: Your theory fails because fascism has exploited freedom of speech in the past, then suppressed it. And then resistance was futile.
Coito Two: Actually, that isn't how fascism took hold anywhere. Too much freedom of speech never resulted in fascism.
Hermit: Yes it did. (Cites history)
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Post by Cunt » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:05 pm

Freedom of speech didn't lead to fascism though. You are desperate to insist that it did, but that's not what you 'proved' with your little story.

Who should choose, for you, what you can hear, or what you can say? That's the basic question. If you think 'some government agency', you have to consider that your government might be run by Nazis (or whatever). If you think 'only myself' then you don't have that same hazard.

Surely you can see the difference.
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Re: Even more problematic stuff

Post by Hermit » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:09 pm

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Freedom of speech didn't lead to fascism though.
That is not exactly what the argument is about either. It started off with the mention of Popper's paradox of toleration, but I guess that went over your head too.
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Re: Even more problematic stuff

Post by Cunt » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:11 pm

It's because it was bullshit.

Why not answer my basic question, Hermit.

Who is qualified to decide what you can hear, read or say?
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Joe wrote:
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Re: Even more problematic stuff

Post by Hermit » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:34 pm

Cunt wrote:
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Who is qualified to decide what you can hear, read or say?
Whoever has the power to determine what you can hear, read or say. It has always been thus, and there is nothing anyone can do to change it.
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Re: Even more problematic stuff

Post by Cunt » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:38 pm

Hermit wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:34 pm
Cunt wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:11 pm
Who is qualified to decide what you can hear, read or say?
Whoever has the power to determine what you can hear, read or say. It has always been thus, and there is nothing anyone can do to change it.
I don't mind you avoiding answering. It makes it pretty clear from here.

You probably think you sound clever.
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Joe wrote:
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rainbow wrote:
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Re: Even more problematic stuff

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:55 pm


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There you go Cunt. Hermit's done most of your research for you - you can even listen to it while out for a jog. :tup:
What is it you think I need to know?.
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I am not sure I could properly define fascism...
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Re: Even more problematic stuff

Post by Cunt » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:02 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:55 pm
Cunt wrote:
Brian Peacock wrote:
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There you go Cunt. Hermit's done most of your research for you - you can even listen to it while out for a jog. :tup:
What is it you think I need to know?.
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Cunt wrote:
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I am not sure I could properly define fascism...
:coffeebath:
Should I accept a definition by someone pushing a political agenda? Or can it be summed up quickly, without deep articles showing at the end how Trump is fascist?
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
So dictator - not Trump. He is a duly elected leader.
Stringent socioeconomic controls - not Trump. He seems to be encouraging less regulation which was a LOT more 'socioeconomic control'.
Suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship - not Trump. He encourages the womens march. (though it was later identified as a hate group or something, by SPLC, so maybe he should have stopped them, to stop racism)

So those saying Trump is a fascist...do they not understand fascism? Or maybe are motivated to insult their political rivals?
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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:10 pm

Read the article, or listen to it, or don't. It's your choice buddy. Rest assured, it was written in 1995 so it has nothing to do with Trump.
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Re: Even more problematic stuff

Post by Hermit » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:31 pm

Cunt wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:38 pm
Hermit wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:34 pm
Cunt wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:11 pm
Who is qualified to decide what you can hear, read or say?
Whoever has the power to determine what you can hear, read or say. It has always been thus, and there is nothing anyone can do to change it.
I don't mind you avoiding answering.
I answered clearly and unambiguously; Anyone who has the power to decide what you can hear, read or say has done so, and will continue to do so. The First Amendment supposedly guaranteeing freedom of speech, for example, did no such thing. It was ratified in December 1791. In 1873 US Congress passed the Comstock laws. Their purpose was the "Suppression of Trade in, and Circulation of, Obscene Literature and Articles of Immoral Use". Among prohibited items were personal letters with any sexual content or information as well as letters containing information regarding obscenity, contraceptives, abortifacients and sex toys.

Here is the relevant text of the parent federal law for the United States:
Every obscene, lewd, or lascivious, and every filthy book, pamphlet, picture, paper, letter, writing, print, or other publication of an indecent character, and every article or thing designed, adapted, or intended for preventing conception or producing abortion, or for any indecent or immoral use; and every article, instrument, substance, drug, medicine, or thing which is advertised or described in a manner calculated to lead another to use or apply it for preventing conception or producing abortion, or for any indecent or immoral purpose and every written or printed card, letter, circular, book, pamphlet advertisement, or notice of any kind giving information directly or indirectly, where, or how, or of whom, or by what means any of the hereinbefore-mentioned matters, articles or things may be obtained or made, or where or by whom any act or operation of any kind for the procuring or producing of abortion will be done or performed or how or by what means conception may be prevented or abortion may be produced, whether sealed or unsealed; and every letter, packet, or package, or other mail matter containing any filthy, vile, or indecent thing, device or substance and every paper, writing, advertisement or representation that any article, instrument, substance, drug, medicine, or thing may, or can be, used or applied, for preventing conception or producing abortion, or for any indecent or immoral purpose; and every description calculated to induce or incite a person to so use or apply any such article, instrument, substance, drug, medicine, or thing, is hereby declared to be a non-mailable matter and shall not be conveyed in the mails or delivered from any post office or by any letter carrier. Whoever shall knowingly deposit or cause to be deposited for mailing or delivery, anything declared by this section to be non-mailable, or shall knowingly take, or cause the same to be taken, from the mails for the purpose of circulating or disposing thereof, or of aiding in the circulation or disposition thereof, shall be fined not more than five thousand dollars, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
Among the books banned by the US government were

Candide - Voltaire
The Canterbury Tales - Geoffrey Chaucer
The Decameron - Giovanni Boccaccio
Fanny Hill or Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure - John Cleland
Tropic of Cancer - Henry Miller
Ulysses - James Joyce

In addition to those, one or two other books were banned by one or more state governments.
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Re: Even more problematic stuff

Post by Cunt » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:37 pm

Hermit wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:31 pm
Cunt wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:11 pm
Who is qualified to decide what you can hear, read or say?
I answered clearly and unambiguously; Anyone who has the power to decide what you can hear, read or say has done so, and will continue to do so. The First Amendment supposedly guaranteeing freedom of speech, for example, did no such thing. It was ratified in December 1791. In 1873 US Congress passed the Comstock laws. Their purpose was the "Suppression of Trade in, and Circulation of, Obscene Literature and Articles of Immoral Use". Among prohibited items were personal letters with any sexual content or information as well as letters containing information regarding obscenity, contraceptives, abortifacients and sex toys.

Here is the relevant text of the parent federal law for the United States:
Every obscene, lewd, or lascivious, and every filthy book, pamphlet, picture, paper, letter, writing, print, or other publication of an indecent character, and every article or thing designed, adapted, or intended for preventing conception or producing abortion, or for any indecent or immoral use; and every article, instrument, substance, drug, medicine, or thing which is advertised or described in a manner calculated to lead another to use or apply it for preventing conception or producing abortion, or for any indecent or immoral purpose and every written or printed card, letter, circular, book, pamphlet advertisement, or notice of any kind giving information directly or indirectly, where, or how, or of whom, or by what means any of the hereinbefore-mentioned matters, articles or things may be obtained or made, or where or by whom any act or operation of any kind for the procuring or producing of abortion will be done or performed or how or by what means conception may be prevented or abortion may be produced, whether sealed or unsealed; and every letter, packet, or package, or other mail matter containing any filthy, vile, or indecent thing, device or substance and every paper, writing, advertisement or representation that any article, instrument, substance, drug, medicine, or thing may, or can be, used or applied, for preventing conception or producing abortion, or for any indecent or immoral purpose; and every description calculated to induce or incite a person to so use or apply any such article, instrument, substance, drug, medicine, or thing, is hereby declared to be a non-mailable matter and shall not be conveyed in the mails or delivered from any post office or by any letter carrier. Whoever shall knowingly deposit or cause to be deposited for mailing or delivery, anything declared by this section to be non-mailable, or shall knowingly take, or cause the same to be taken, from the mails for the purpose of circulating or disposing thereof, or of aiding in the circulation or disposition thereof, shall be fined not more than five thousand dollars, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
Among the books banned by the US government were

Candide - Voltaire
The Canterbury Tales - Geoffrey Chaucer
The Decameron - Giovanni Boccaccio
Fanny Hill or Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure - John Cleland
Tropic of Cancer - Henry Miller
Ulysses - James Joyce

In addition to those, one or two other books were banned by one or more state governments.
You said a lot of words, but you didn't say who is qualified to decide for you.

I've read a lot of the banned books. They were banned ineffectively by governments over the years.

So don't say who is qualified to choose for you. I understand it's a tough question.

For me, I am the only one qualified. For you, it seems to be government edict.
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Joe wrote:
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The 'Walsh Question' 'What Is A Woman?' I'll put an answer here when someone posts one that is clear and comprehensible, by apostates to the Faith.

Update: I've been offered one!
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It is actually quite easy. A woman has at least one X chromosome.
Strong ideas don't require censorship to survive. Weak ideas cannot survive without it.

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