Uncanny Valley

[cronus]

Do you ever mistake AI for humans and vice versa? This is a thread to discuss the emotional rational interface. A niche in AI research that could be quite lucrative if someone cracked the issue. Not yet. Shagging plastic dummies is definitively not a thing for me any way...you?

[pErvinalia]

It should be possible to program emotional simulacre. In fact, this might be the best way forwards to sentient AI. In humans most of our processing goes on sub-consciously and I'm pretty sure is mostly fast emotional type responses. The rational conscious brain reins in some of those crazy responses to better suit the environment one finds themself in at the time. But the sub-conscious is where most of the action happens. And it's not conscious, by definition.

[JimC]

To me, it seems likely that emotional responses in general have a close connection to the selective pressure that formed Homo sapiens, closer than the rational part of the brain. Of course, local culture will have a big say in the specifics of what might trigger certain emotional responses, but there will be a shared background common to all humans.

This patchwork accretion of different modes of sapience which is our inheritance would be very difficult to mimic in an AI, IMO...

[pErvinalia]

Any idea what the title of this thread means? I'd ask crumple, but the reply would make no sense..

[cronus]

Any idea what the title of this thread means? I'd ask crumple, but the reply would make no sense..

That was my point in making it.

[JimC]

Any idea what the title of this thread means? I'd ask crumple, but the reply would make no sense..

Apparently it refers to the unease felt by people when seeing computer generated figures that are very close to human, but not quite...

[rainbow]

[Rum]

As a long term video game player and fan I have come across this before. It doesn't just refer to AI but to the paradox that oddly enough the more apparently realistic video game and computer generated 'human' characters get the odder they often seem to us. A simple cartoon like character is identifiable as human. A very realistic one, as an example, whose gaze looks wrong or whose eyes are every so slightly out of alignment - or some other subtle irregularity can give us the creeps.

It is one reason why a lot of CGI characters wear helmets that cover their entire heads.

[Svartalf]

mmmh, AI is getting to the point that an inattentive person might not be able to administer a proper Turing test fast enough to avoid wasting a lot of time.

[Hermit]

Any idea what the title of this thread means? I'd ask crumple, but the reply would make no sense..

Had me scratching my head too. Then I remembered this rather useful site called Google. First link to pop up after copypasting "Uncanny Valley" into its search box was this. Try it one day. It might prevent you from looking like a lazy and/or cretinous prick.

[Brian Peacock]

[pErvinalia]

Any idea what the title of this thread means? I'd ask crumple, but the reply would make no sense..

Had me scratching my head too. Then I remembered this rather useful site called Google. First link to pop up after copypasting "Uncanny Valley" into its search box was this. Try it one day. It might prevent you from looking like a lazy and/or cretinous prick.

But I am a lazy and cretinous prick.

[Hermit]

Any idea what the title of this thread means? I'd ask crumple, but the reply would make no sense..

Had me scratching my head too. Then I remembered this rather useful site called Google. First link to pop up after copypasting "Uncanny Valley" into its search box was this. Try it one day. It might prevent you from looking like a lazy and/or cretinous prick.

But I am a lazy and cretinous prick.

OK, OK, but if you keep it under your hat - and I'll certainly keep stumm - 4.2 need never find out. He better not. There's nothing worse than a jealous Trumpster.

[pErvinalia]

Basically, because I have no shame about being wrong, you are my (and all of Ratz) designated fact checker. I don't need to look stuff up, as I know you will and fill us in.

[JimC]

The implication of the uncanny valley analogy, just before "real" humans, is that our level of comfort dips (after standard cartoon like figures become close to life-like) but then it should rise again much close to real footage, once CGI techniques are perfected to the point where a CGI version of Trump would fool anybody, with no sensation of it being slightly "off"...