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Post by Svartalf » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:43 pm

well, there are people on another forum arguing about how it's wrong to say that Irish were slaves too when blacks start demanding rights and consideration... and there's a moron actually arguing that under the Tudors (Henry VIII and Elizabeth I) and the late Stuarts, not to mention the House of Orange the status of the Irish in the British isles, and the colonies was actually worse than that of African chattel slaves....
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:33 am

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This could just as easily be a result of the media you read.
Could be, but isn't, because I read a wide variety of media, and I am especially careful to look to sources that lean left. It doesn't take long to see, if one searches, that there is a daily production of left wing lunacy. We are in a phase, and have been for several years now, where every, single aspect of western society, government, business and culture is at some point or another subjected to a serious article accusing it of being racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic or other.

There is article, after article, after article, about leftists acting out in the way they did recently at Queens college - blocking doors - smashing beautiful stained glass windows, threatening, pounding, yelling profanities, commandeering the stage. These are not isolated. These events are legion.
pErvinalia wrote: If you are reading lots of media that gets hysterical about this stuff, you certainly won't see as much news about right wings tools threatening to kill people while amassing an arsenal of weapons and bombs.
I don't read lots of media that gets hysterical about this stuff. When I read a media report - and watch the unedited video -- of the event at Queens college, it's one of many such events -- weekly at least - where those asshats are doing the same thing.

You don't see as many news reports about right wing tools threatening to kill peole because there aren't as many such incidents. The media love to report such events, and are loathe to report the leftist events. Any right wing took threatening to kill while amassing arsenals of weapons gets reported for days on CNN, MSNBC etc. over and over again. The left wing violence gets muted in the major media, and is generally reported more on other written/online sources.

You don't see the right wing writing journal articles about how air conditioning is racist against whites, or how gyms in black neighborhoods don't have enough white people in them.
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Two, there are allies in the media and in the general public among more moderate spheres that support this sort of thing. It's not resounding criticized and rebuked. It's defended, apologized for, and the critics of it are often called, by mainstream media outlets, haters, fascists, and other such nonsense.
I asked you to support this before. Can you support it with actual examples from the MSM?
Yes, but I'm not going to until you give me the courtesy of backing up your statements in other threads where you refuse to do so because your mind is on other things, and the thread you commented in is too boring. I'll just answer the way you do - I've already presented this evidence in other threads, and I'm not going to be arsed to repeat myself. So fuck you.
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Three, the difference is - and the reason I don't focus on the similar end of the right - is that there is not nearly as many iterations of idiocy coming out of the right - the right extremists are basically one-trick ponies - they're white Christian or Muslim extremists that hate jews, and/or blacks and/or gays etc - and they act accordingly - they scream and yell, and march and here and there they commit violence - but they don't give us new fodder all the time - they don't publish articles in academic journals explaining the oppression of the white people and blaming the matriarchy.
They don't publish articles as they are more often than not illiterate uneducated bogans!
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They don't claim that discussion of black rights is a microaggression against them. They aren't taken seriously by anyone in the mainstream and their views are publicly denounced whenever it's an issue in the mainstream media. There are no defenders of them, except among their very small number of ilk -- if you're not marching with the Nazis, you're opposed to the Nazis. There aren't droves of people out there going, "you know what, those Nazis have a good point."
Maybe that's because they don't have a good point, while SJWs do have a point of some sort (whether it is "good" or not is probably dependent on how far out to the extreme they are; but the basis for some (many) of their concerns are legitimate).
Right, the Nazis don't have a good point, but the SJWs don't have a good point either. They're absurd. What they have is a self-appointed claim of righteousness. And their ideologies are very harmful, which is why oppose them. But their ideologies are infecting many areas of society, successfully, so they are not irrelevant. They are very relevant.
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But, when it's the leftists, you get sparce coverage, and each article is peppered with apologetics, trying to make the case why the protesters are really on the side of right.
Let's see some examples of this.
Already provided on other threads. I also do not recognize your right to demand any explanation or support for my arguments. You have zero courtesy in that regard when other people ask you to do the same. So fuck off.
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I also do not defend right wingers - anytime someone has presented an example of right wing violence, I have criticized it, and said they should be prosecuted and jailed. There is little else to say.
You could say they are as much if not more of a threat to society than the left.
I could, but I would agree with that statement. The left is a far bigger threat, because of they are successfully effecting many areas of society and are being taken seriously. Of particular concern is colleges/universities, and in recent years, primary and secondary schools. They are infecting the schools with SJW ideology, white privilege nonsense, bullshit about patriarchy, and the notion that hate speech is not free speech, among other things. They are successfully infecting areas of society with an illiberal, self-righteous, leftist philosophy, sympathy for socialism, incoherent nonsense like intersectionalism, the Progressive Stack and a variety of other horrid ideas.
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Again, though, the left wingers get defense in the media, and even here, based on how they're really just the downtrodden trying to speak truth to power, or help the oppressed.
Maybe they are. Have you considered this?
I have, and they aren't. Have you considered that?
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You won't find an example of me defending right wingers harassing or being violent. I have defended their right to march down the street and protest and speak in public, sing songs, and carry signs, mostly sayin' hoo-ray for our side. Because, the left wing extremists not only will get violent against them (as the right wing will in similar circumstances also do), but the left wing does it under a claim of righteousness -- of moral rectitude. The right wing does it under a basic "fuck you, get out" attitude. They don't try to pretend that the people they attack are actually committing violence with their words.
That's right, because the people they attack are committing the crime of being black/lgbtqi/muslim/mexican/etc in public. There's plenty of moral rectitude behind their actions. It's ridiculous to suggest that there isn't.
There is no moral rectitude in attacking other people for ideas. I did not say that being black is not moral, dumbass. I said that what the left does when they become violent and hit people with bike locks, burn down stores, smash windows, threaten, commandeer stages, riot, pull fire alarms, barricade doors, and harass people, they do self-righteously. They do it claiming that the people they oppose are doing violence by speaking words and exchanging ideas. And, they don't just claim it of Nazis, they claim it of University of Toronto Professors, and feminist women like Christina Hoff Sommers. They say those people are committing violence and hatred because they oppose the arguments about the gender wage gap, and pronoun usage. So, it's o.k. to threaten them and do actual violence against them. That's why they could "morally" attack Charles Murray and a college professor who hosted his speech. Charles Murray's ideas in the Bell Curve are hate speech and violence, they say, so they are morally right in threatening and doing violence in "defense."

When that kind of thought process is infecting society, it becomes a significant danger. It's illiberal. Authoritarian. Arbitrary. Capricious. And, tantamount to vigilantism. And I don't give a flying fuck how good their cause is. The fact that they come forward with this crap under a claim of righteousness makes it worse. The worst form of totalitarian comes to silence people under a claim of righteousness, and a claim that they are acting for our own good.
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Re: Problematic Stuff

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:35 am

Forty Two wrote:
Brian Peacock wrote:You see 'the left' as a kind of contagion don't you?
Nawww.... they're good people.

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Post by Seabass » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:44 pm

That Trump takes this motherfucker seriously is problematic.

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Post by Forty Two » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:11 pm

The share of extremely poor people has fallen faster than ever before in history over the last 30 years. In 1981, almost half of the world lived in extreme poverty. Now only about 10 to 12% does.

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Post by Rum » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:36 pm

The constant deluge of negative news 'If It Bleeds It Leads' tends to swamp quite a lot of positive developments in the world as a whole over the last 100 years - and the last 50 or so in particular. You might not think it if you watch TV news, but the numbers of people killed in terrorist attacks, wars and crime have all dropped in that period, certainly as a proportion of the population. Much disease is on the wane and education is increasingly available to poor people. Education for them and particularly women seems to be the route to better overall conditions And for women in particular, given more control over reproduction, a chance to deal with one key problem which could overwhelm all of the above - over population and the effects of that on the planet.

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Post by Seabass » Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:21 pm

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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:34 pm

It's illegal to racially profile. Therefore there is no racism in society.
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Post by Forty Two » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:10 pm

Nobody here has argued that there is no racism in society.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:11 pm

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Post by JimC » Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:28 pm

Forty Two wrote:Nobody here has argued that there is no racism in society.
You have argued that there is no systemic racism. I think you have a very narrow definition of systemic racism; perhaps you think it has to be something actually in law, like the apartheid era in South Africa, or the segregation laws in fairly recent times in your south. You seem to think that what racism remains is sporadic and individual, and cannot be systemic because of various anti-discrimination laws.

However, if the lived experience (backed by statistics) of people of different races (not just blacks in America; I include indigenous Australians, for example) is one of constant differential treatment (e.g. by police), then it is systemic, whether there is a veneer of anti-racism laws or not.
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:17 am

One wonders why he constantly mentions that the law prohibits racism and sexism. His rhetoric is certainly aimed at making the impression that racism/sexism can't exist because it is illegal.
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