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The Science Delusion, a talk banned by TED

Post by FBM » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:24 am

I've only watched it once, but I like the overall attitude of not taking anything for granted, leaving even the most widely accepted ideas open to question. Some of you may find it stimulating. Not sure.

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Re: The Science Delusion, a talk banned by TED

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:35 am

If it was banned, how come there's a Youtube of it? :dunno:
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Post by FBM » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:39 am

Someone other than TED re-uploaded it, I guess. There's a small handful of them.

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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:18 am

There was a giant thread on this on Ratskep which I participated in part of with one (or maybe even two) of my socks. The thread is called "The Science Delusion" if you want to see where it all went pear shaped..
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Post by FBM » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:24 am

Please don't make me. :worried:
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Post by cronus » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:39 am

Science ain't nothing but poking real sticks into the vast gaps of ignorance in collective human knowledge. Religion uses imaginary sticks. :read:
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Scumple wrote:Science ain't nothing but poking real sticks into the vast gaps of ignorance in collective human knowledge. Religion uses imaginary sticks. :read:
Did you watch the video?
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Post by JimC » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:06 am

Sheldrake, eh?

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Post by FBM » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:13 am

JimC wrote:Sheldrake, eh?

The pixies at the bottom of his garden cleared off because he was stalking them all the time...
I've only just run across him. I gather that he has a reputation. Seems he would be easy to villify using guilt by association, no doubt.
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Re: The Science Delusion, a talk banned by TED

Post by JimC » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:29 am

FBM wrote:
JimC wrote:Sheldrake, eh?

The pixies at the bottom of his garden cleared off because he was stalking them all the time...
I've only just run across him. I gather that he has a reputation. Seems he would be easy to villify using guilt by association, no doubt.
Here is his Wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Sheldrake

At the risk of being a science bigot, he is somewhat a fruit loop... ;)
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Re: The Science Delusion, a talk banned by TED

Post by Hermit » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:30 am

He makes some good criticism of scientific practice. Pity he mixes so much paranormal stuff into it. Sorry, insofar as he does that, he does not sound a lot more coherent than Deepak Chopra.
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Post by FBM » Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:03 am

Hermit wrote:He makes some good criticism of scientific practice. Pity he mixes so much paranormal stuff into it. Sorry, insofar as he does that, he does not sound a lot more coherent than Deepak Chopra.
Yup. I can follow him so far as maintaining a vigilance against scientific dogmatism, but when he starts hypothesizing...ugg. That said, I haven't read the research he alludes to that is supposedly peer reviewed.
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Re: The Science Delusion, a talk banned by TED

Post by FBM » Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:05 am

JimC wrote:
FBM wrote:
JimC wrote:Sheldrake, eh?

The pixies at the bottom of his garden cleared off because he was stalking them all the time...
I've only just run across him. I gather that he has a reputation. Seems he would be easy to villify using guilt by association, no doubt.
Here is his Wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Sheldrake

At the risk of being a science bigot, he is somewhat a fruit loop... ;)
Reminds me somewhat of Linus Pauling...
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Re: The Science Delusion, a talk banned by TED

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:12 am

FBM wrote:
JimC wrote:
FBM wrote:
JimC wrote:Sheldrake, eh?

The pixies at the bottom of his garden cleared off because he was stalking them all the time...
I've only just run across him. I gather that he has a reputation. Seems he would be easy to villify using guilt by association, no doubt.
Here is his Wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Sheldrake

At the risk of being a science bigot, he is somewhat a fruit loop... ;)
Reminds me somewhat of Linus Pauling...
You say that almost like being reminded of Linus Pauling is a good thing. :nono:
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Re: The Science Delusion, a talk banned by TED

Post by Hermit » Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:48 am

FBM wrote:
Hermit wrote:He makes some good criticism of scientific practice. Pity he mixes so much paranormal stuff into it. Sorry, insofar as he does that, he does not sound a lot more coherent than Deepak Chopra.
Yup. I can follow him so far as maintaining a vigilance against scientific dogmatism, but when he starts hypothesizing...ugg. That said, I haven't read the research he alludes to that is supposedly peer reviewed.
I think his talk was binned, and rightfully so, because he maintained that telepathy is real and the mind stretches out from the body to the extent that kind of touches the stars, and backed those claims up with no more than typical new age hand waving. His comments on the constancy of the speed of light and the force of gravity were humorously delivered and thought provoking, though. Had Skeldrake expanded on that sort of instead of taking off into fairy land, the TED board would either have decided to not bin the talk or finished up with tremendous amounts of egg on face. By going off the deep end he has also provided a convenient pretext for the people he criticised not to reply on those matters.
So you talk about mobs and the working classes as if they were the question. You've got that eternal idiotic idea that if anarchy came it would come from the poor. Why should it? The poor have been rebels, but they have never been anarchists; they have more interest than anyone else in there being some decent government. The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all. Aristocrats were always anarchists. - G.K. Chesterton

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