Do we love Big Brother?

[Audley Strange]

So the X-bone is always going to be on, always connected and with a camera that is also always on. It will have full kinetiq (sp?) support. Our regimes are spying on us. People are being imprisoned and fined for heretical thought and words. Our streets are filled with cameras and nightly helicopters circle our streets. People are being dragged away by police as sex-criminals and hate-criminals based on the flimsiest evidence, accusation, even the dead are not safe. Our economies are fucked, we're in nebulous never ending wars against phantoms, anything less than vociferous support for all of this is seen by the establishment as being suspicious and in many circles that support is vociferous.

This is all actual. Now I'm not going to go full Alex Jones here, but does anyone else look at this and see that this is happening despite differing ideological stances of our titular puppets. Are we welcoming the paranoid totalitarian security state in because we are too prideful,blind or stupid to check ourselves and realise that left or right, they're going to keep rolling this out until they have almost absolute knowledge and thus control over our lives on a moment by moment basis? Or d do you think totalitarianism has to involve men in black military gear to engage in a very hostile public takeover?

[Thinking Aloud]

Haven't seen or heard a helicopter circling over my street at night, nor are there any CCTV cameras around here, so I'll go for "nah" or "nah", whichever answer suits the question best.

[Rum]

Likewise.

A few twats shouting and making a noise on the way home from the pub occasionally, but I don't think the Thought Police pick them up on any sort of regular basis.

[JacksSmirkingRevenge]

[Clinton Huxley]

All one needs to do to be free is own a gun. Problem solved.

[Rum]

All one needs to do to be free is own a gun. Problem solved.

You old trouble maker, you.

[Clinton Huxley]

All one needs to do to be free is own a gun. Problem solved.

You old trouble maker, you.

Just saying it before anyone else did.....

[laklak]

If you're not doing anything wrong then what are you worried about?

I think the fact that you're even bringing this up means we need to look at you a bit more closely.

[Audley Strange]

If you're not doing anything wrong then what are you worried about?

I think the fact that you're even bringing this up means we need to look at you a bit more closely.

Worried? Not so much, more I'm not going to be interested in listening to liberals or conservatives complain about their rights being taken away when it affects them personally. In fact I will delight in taking them to internment camps.

[laklak]

I hear internment camps will be a growth industry. I'll have my Internment Counselor certification when I finish my Enhanced Interrogation courses.

[Coito ergo sum]

Likewise.

A few twats shouting and making a noise on the way home from the pub occasionally, but I don't think the Thought Police pick them up on any sort of regular basis.

Let one of them run for office, and then we'll see if the video of him drunk at the pub accidentally finds its way to the interwebz a week before the election, through no fault of the incumbent....

Of course the "powers that be" aren't going to worry much about irrelevant people. It's when the powers that be are actually challenged that threats to the "regime" become confused or conflated with threats to the "nation" or the "people." It's an age old problem. Once a guy gets elected, he tends to have difficulty distinguishing between opposition to him and opposition to the country. This is especially true when that someone convinces himself that he is acting in the best interests of the country and the opposition is destructive.

[Coito ergo sum]

I hear internment camps will be a growth industry. I'll have my Internment Counselor certification when I finish my Enhanced Interrogation courses.

Is that a paid or unpaid internment?

[Audley Strange]

Likewise.

A few twats shouting and making a noise on the way home from the pub occasionally, but I don't think the Thought Police pick them up on any sort of regular basis.

Let one of them run for office, and then we'll see if the video of him drunk at the pub accidentally finds its way to the interwebz a week before the election, through no fault of the incumbent....

Of course the "powers that be" aren't going to worry much about irrelevant people. It's when the powers that be are actually challenged that threats to the "regime" become confused or conflated with threats to the "nation" or the "people." It's an age old problem. Once a guy gets elected, he tends to have difficulty distinguishing between opposition to him and opposition to the country. This is especially true when that someone convinces himself that he is acting in the best interests of the country and the opposition is destructive.

Which they all do. This is why I'm suspicious. I'm not of the opinion that there is some shady nefarious endgame plan to tell you the truth, it seems more like have if they tools will use and abuse them when it's convenient. Especially to silence ones ideological enemies.

Also the Thought-Police never concerned themselves with the proles, they were not considered conscious.

[klr]

Likewise.

A few twats shouting and making a noise on the way home from the pub occasionally, but I don't think the Thought Police pick them up on any sort of regular basis.

Let one of them run for office, and then we'll see if the video of him drunk at the pub accidentally finds its way to the interwebz a week before the election, through no fault of the incumbent....

Of course the "powers that be" aren't going to worry much about irrelevant people. It's when the powers that be are actually challenged that threats to the "regime" become confused or conflated with threats to the "nation" or the "people." It's an age old problem. Once a guy gets elected, he tends to have difficulty distinguishing between opposition to him and opposition to the country. This is especially true when that someone convinces himself that he is acting in the best interests of the country and the opposition is destructive.

Which they all do. This is why I'm suspicious. I'm not of the opinion that there is some shady nefarious endgame plan to tell you the truth, it seems more like have if they tools will use and abuse them when it's convenient. Especially to silence ones ideological enemies.

Also the Thought-Police never concerned themselves with the proles, they were not considered conscious.

I thought the proles were kept under surveillance, and any who looked as if the might be a problem were eliminated.

[Audley Strange]

The proles were not given tele-screens (Winston makes a big deal of this when he hires the room without one) There were undercover thought-police agents who kept an eye on the proles which are mentioned, but since they didn't really influence anything, they were basically ignored (Which I think is either explained in Goldstein's Oligarchical Collectivist screeds) and left passive with their bread and circuses. The threat was that disgruntled party members could, like the Party did, manipulate them. This becomes central to the conversation between O'Brien and Smith, in which O'Brien describes them as little more than farm animals.

I haven't read it in a while so I admit I am working from memory. I have however read "Nineteen Eighty-Four" dozens of times.