I'm having trouble. What, exactly, does an atheist NOT believe in?
Cracks in pavements? Spiritual dads? Harry Potter on a broomstick?
Huh... what? exactly?
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Waddaya got? I'm willing to not believe in anything. 
"A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken
"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
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I don't believe that the physical universe was created by sentient entity.
"What started as a legitimate effort by the townspeople of Salem to identify, capture and kill those who did Satan's bidding quickly deteriorated into a witch hunt" Army Man
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You mean your dad?Audley Strange wrote:I don't believe that the physical universe was created by sentient entity.
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Hmm. So. At the end of the day that means you standing there, sitting, or lying, and saying "I don't believe in nothing me"?FBM wrote:Waddaya got? I'm willing to not believe in anything.
That imposes a physical posture. A nose in the air.
Is it through our noses for absent evidential roses that we breathe?
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That sure looks a lot like English. It could almost pass for it, actually. Which language is it really, though?Jonesboy wrote:Hmm. So. At the end of the day that means you standing there, sitting, or lying, and saying "I don't believe in nothing me"?FBM wrote:Waddaya got? I'm willing to not believe in anything.
That imposes a physical posture. A nose in the air.
Is it through our noses for absent evidential roses that we breathe?
"A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken
"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
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I said, that, our ideas cannot be supported by asserting the absence of anything.FBM wrote:That sure looks a lot like English. It could almost pass for it, actually. Which language is it really, though?Jonesboy wrote:Hmm. So. At the end of the day that means you standing there, sitting, or lying, and saying "I don't believe in nothing me"?FBM wrote:Waddaya got? I'm willing to not believe in anything.
That imposes a physical posture. A nose in the air.
Is it through our noses for absent evidential roses that we breathe?
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Oh. OK. Why not?
"A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken
"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
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Well, it's good to say I don't believe in...
If, of course, the measure of truth, we think, is found in our world.
But that adopts a posture. It is a physical stance almost.
If, of course, the measure of truth, we think, is found in our world.
But that adopts a posture. It is a physical stance almost.
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You meant "physical stance" metaphorically? Nose up in the air? Skepticism = arrogance?Jonesboy wrote:Well, it's good to say I don't believe in...
If, of course, the measure of truth, we think, is found in our world.
But that adopts a posture. It is a physical stance almost.
"A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken
"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
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I suppose so, but I wanted also to emphasise the energy that needs to be put into certain beliefs that help to deny, rather than not believe in, a god. It makes a person a caricuture, It will be driven and sustained through a physical postiure. I suppose that is true of anything, but it struck me as especially true for the people who do, or do not believe. i never thought that a God was a matter of belief.FBM wrote:You meant "physical stance" metaphorically? Nose up in the air? Skepticism = arrogance?Jonesboy wrote:Well, it's good to say I don't believe in...
If, of course, the measure of truth, we think, is found in our world.
But that adopts a posture. It is a physical stance almost.
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I don't believe I clicked on this thread.
(I do believe in spooks, I do believe in spooks, I do believe in spooks!)
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Well. I'm sorry. But you are here. That's the reality.apophenia wrote:I don't believe I clicked on this thread.
(I do believe in spooks, I do believe in spooks, I do believe in spooks!)
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I'm not sure how this is the case. Skeptics could see those who go to extremes to defend their beliefs in things for which there is no evidence as a caricature or parody of the modern, post-Englightenment human.Jonesboy wrote:I suppose so, but I wanted also to emphasise the energy that needs to be put into certain beliefs that help to deny, rather than not believe in, a god. It makes a person a caricuture, It will be driven and sustained through a physical postiure.FBM wrote:You meant "physical stance" metaphorically? Nose up in the air? Skepticism = arrogance?Jonesboy wrote:Well, it's good to say I don't believe in...
If, of course, the measure of truth, we think, is found in our world.
But that adopts a posture. It is a physical stance almost.
On the other hand, I think you have a point when you mention those who dogmatically assert knowledge of the absence of a divine creator. I think that's over-reaching, going beyond what the evidence (lack of it, really) supports. A careful skeptic, I think, would say something more along the lines of, 'Without evidence, there is no reason to think that a diety exists', rather than 'There is no god.' That is, it's one thing to say, "I don't think there is a divine creator" as an opinion, and yet another to say dogmatically "There is no god" as if it were knowledge.
According to scripture and doctrine, faith is essential to the abrahamic traditions, is it not?I suppose that is true of anything, but it struck me as especially true for the people who do, or do not believe. i never thought that a God was a matter of belief.
"A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken
"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
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.. I wanted to say that it is not a matter of belief that anyone approaches god, if belief is evidentially based. I cannot see the rhyme, reason or purpose for an evidentially based god. Such a god would be a mere object among others.FBM wrote:I'm not sure how this is the case. Skeptics could see those who go to extremes to defend their beliefs in things for which there is no evidence as a caricature or parody of the modern, post-Englightenment human.Jonesboy wrote:I suppose so, but I wanted also to emphasise the energy that needs to be put into certain beliefs that help to deny, rather than not believe in, a god. It makes a person a caricuture, It will be driven and sustained through a physical postiure.FBM wrote:You meant "physical stance" metaphorically? Nose up in the air? Skepticism = arrogance?Jonesboy wrote:Well, it's good to say I don't believe in...
If, of course, the measure of truth, we think, is found in our world.
But that adopts a posture. It is a physical stance almost.
On the other hand, I think you have a point when you mention those who dogmatically assert knowledge of the absence of a divine creator. I think that's over-reaching, going beyond what the evidence (lack of it, really) supports. A careful skeptic, I think, would say something more along the lines of, 'Without evidence, there is no reason to think that a diety exists', rather than 'There is no god.' That is, it's one thing to say, "I don't think there is a divine creator" as an opinion, and yet another to say dogmatically "There is no god" as if it were knowledge.
According to scripture and doctrine, faith is essential to the abrahamic traditions, is it not?I suppose that is true of anything, but it struck me as especially true for the people who do, or do not believe. i never thought that a God was a matter of belief.
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