Personal ethics...

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Personal ethics...

Post by charlou » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:30 pm

What would you give up in order to survive? How far would you go, and would it be 'worth' it?
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Re: Personal ethics...

Post by Animavore » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:53 pm

I'd give up my friend to a hungry bear if accosted by one.
It would be worth it. I'd be alive. I've more friends anyway.
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Post by Rum » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:54 pm

I would see this more as a test of one's ethics rather than the ethics one lives by when not under 'test conditions'. For example most of us consider theft to be immoral or socially reprehensible and to be thoroughly discouraged, but most f us would probably steal if it was a case of family survival. Most of us believe that murder is wrong, but it would be a hell of a test if you had to chose between killing someone and surviving yourself or not and being killed oneself.

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Post by Clinton Huxley » Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:05 pm

I would throw my own granny under a bus. And indeed did.
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Post by Atheist-Lite » Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:08 pm

We all have the same depths of depravity inside us and those who speak of ethics are no doubt the worst of the worst in their execution? I'd try to save a few people, you can rely on ol' crumple come the day. Just like on The Titanic I ain't gonna risk my empty life boat until you lot have stopped your thrashing around in the water first. You could tip the thing over. :tup:
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:14 pm

Come the apocalypse, Crumple needs to be taken out first. Don't want him crowing "I told you so" to the survivors...
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Post by maiforpeace » Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:15 pm

Rum wrote:I would see this more as a test of one's ethics rather than the ethics one lives by when not under 'test conditions'. For example most of us consider theft to be immoral or socially reprehensible and to be thoroughly discouraged, but most f us would probably steal if it was a case of family survival. Most of us believe that murder is wrong, but it would be a hell of a test if you had to chose between killing someone and surviving yourself or not and being killed oneself.
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I don't know what I would do.

I have a really good disaster kit (collected during the last big earthquake and checked regularly) that would allow 6 people to survive for 2 weeks. (or the two of us for 6 weeks). I decided that I didn't want to worry about those basics of food, water and safety during a disaster when there is already so much more to consider.

What I do know is that I wouldn't try to survive through a nuclear disaster or a plague that destroyed most of the human race...I don't think that's likely to happen, but if it did I would probably commit suicide and leave what precious resources are left for those who have the will to live through such a thing.
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Re: Personal ethics...

Post by HomerJay » Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:36 pm

Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others. Groucho Marx

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Post by Drewish » Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:38 pm

I'd rather die and be remembered fondly than sacrifice those that would have remembered me.
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Re: Personal ethics...

Post by maiforpeace » Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:47 pm

HomerJay wrote:Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others. Groucho Marx
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andrewclunn wrote:I'd rather die and be remembered fondly than sacrifice those that would have remembered me.
You are quite the romantic. 8-)
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Re: Personal ethics...

Post by hiyymer » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:30 pm

charlou wrote:What would you give up in order to survive? How far would you go, and would it be 'worth' it?
I'd do whatever I felt like doing at the time.

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Post by amused » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:40 pm

Reminds me of the trolley problem in ethics:
A trolley (i.e. in British English a tram) is running out of control down a track. In its path are five people who have been tied to the track by a mad philosopher. Fortunately, you could flip a switch, which will lead the trolley down a different track to safety. Unfortunately, there is a single person tied to that track. Should you flip the switch or do nothing?
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Re: Personal ethics...

Post by Atheist-Lite » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:59 pm

amused wrote:Reminds me of the trolley problem in ethics:
A trolley (i.e. in British English a tram) is running out of control down a track. In its path are five people who have been tied to the track by a mad philosopher. Fortunately, you could flip a switch, which will lead the trolley down a different track to safety. Unfortunately, there is a single person tied to that track. Should you flip the switch or do nothing?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem
Wouldn't do anything. Could cause a greater disaster by interfering. Let events take their course. Prime directive. :smoke:

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Re: Personal ethics...

Post by amused » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:53 pm

Understood. Then it gets harder if you know that the five are murderers and the one is a rocket surgeon.

Except, I always enjoy this little part from The Subtle Knife -

She had asked: What is he? A friend or an enemy?
The alethiometer answered: He is a murderer.
When she saw the answer, she relaxed at once. He could find food, and show her how to reach Oxford, and those were powers that were useful, but he might still have been untrustworthy or cowardly. A murderer was a worthy companion. She felt as safe with him as she she'd felt with Iorek Byrnison, the armored bear.

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Re: Personal ethics...

Post by Santa_Claus » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:13 pm

Animavore wrote:I'd give up my friend to a hungry bear if accosted by one..

I guess your surviving freinds have learnt not to accost you.........

.....where do you keep the Bear?
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