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Re: Should 'we' strike N. Korea first?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:26 pm

FBM wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
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Gawdzilla wrote:FBM, I can zip a copy and email it to you, or put in on a site where you can download it.
E-mail should be fine! I'm gonna lock my door and barricade myself behind a few cases of kimchee for the next week, just in case. :shifty:
Zokay. Will be emailed today.
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Not to worry, DoD said it was okay. :levi:
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Re: Should 'we' strike N. Korea first?

Post by FBM » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:29 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:Not to worry, DoD said it was okay. :levi:
Ahem. That's the US DoD, I assume? Thangs is a mite diff'ernt over hyar. (My best Sgt. York.)
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Re: Should 'we' strike N. Korea first?

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Gawdzilla wrote:Not to worry, DoD said it was okay. :levi:
Ahem. That's the US DoD, I assume? Thangs is a mite diff'ernt over hyar. (My best Sgt. York.)
DoD said it was okay for me. You're on your own. :mrgreen:

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Re: Should 'we' strike N. Korea first?

Post by FBM » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:40 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
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Gawdzilla wrote:Not to worry, DoD said it was okay. :levi:
Ahem. That's the US DoD, I assume? Thangs is a mite diff'ernt over hyar. (My best Sgt. York.)
DoD said it was okay for me. You're on your own. :mrgreen:

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Re: Should 'we' strike N. Korea first?

Post by FBM » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:47 pm

"North Korea's recent actions to develop a nuclear capacity and an intercontinental ballistic missile capacity will require that we expand our consideration of possible responses, including our force posture and options for extended deterrence," Bosworth said.
(my emphasis)

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiap ... index.html
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Re: Should 'we' strike N. Korea first?

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FBM wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
FBM wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:Not to worry, DoD said it was okay. :levi:
Ahem. That's the US DoD, I assume? Thangs is a mite diff'ernt over hyar. (My best Sgt. York.)
DoD said it was okay for me. You're on your own. :mrgreen:

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I'm a paid NK agitator. :whisper:
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Re: Should 'we' strike N. Korea first?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:58 pm

BTW, there's two more volumes in that series. (All the maps are from the USMA site, not from the book. Better quality.)
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Re: Should 'we' strike N. Korea first?

Post by FBM » Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:13 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:BTW, there's two more volumes in that series. (All the maps are from the USMA site, not from the book. Better quality.)
If I knew what you were talking about, I'd be grateful for the info.

Hmm...who would be knocking at my door at this hour?



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Re: Should 'we' strike N. Korea first?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:16 pm

FBM wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:BTW, there's two more volumes in that series. (All the maps are from the USMA site, not from the book. Better quality.)
If I knew what you were talking about, I'd be grateful for the info.

Hmm...who would be knocking at my door at this hour?



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I'll harvest the others and send them to randomly Chosin people. :mrgreen:
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Re: Should 'we' strike N. Korea first?

Post by FBM » Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:22 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
FBM wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:BTW, there's two more volumes in that series. (All the maps are from the USMA site, not from the book. Better quality.)
If I knew what you were talking about, I'd be grateful for the info.

Hmm...who would be knocking at my door at this hour?



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I'll harvest the others and send them to randomly Chosin people. :mrgreen:
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I didn't say that.
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Re: Should 'we' strike N. Korea first?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:38 pm

And I didn't just send you the second one. Next two tomorrow.
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Re: Should 'we' strike N. Korea first?

Post by FBM » Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:43 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:And I didn't just send you the second one. Next two tomorrow.
And I didn't just receive anything. Nor do I expect to receive two more tomorrow (which would be later today here, if I knew what we were talking about). Furthermore, I don't not appreciate what I haven't received so far, nor will I not thank you for anything that I don't get tomorrow. I think. Or I don't. Whichever works. Or doesn't.
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Re: Should 'we' strike N. Korea first?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:45 pm

FBM wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:And I didn't just send you the second one. Next two tomorrow.
And I didn't just receive anything. Nor do I expect to receive two more tomorrow (which would be later today here, if I knew what we were talking about). Furthermore, I don't not appreciate what I haven't received so far, nor will I not thank you for anything that I don't get tomorrow. I think. Or I don't. Whichever works. Or doesn't.
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Re: Should 'we' strike N. Korea first?

Post by FBM » Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:59 pm

I don't think this sort of story hits the papers back home:

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/htm ... 00328.html

(There's a mildly cringe-worthy pic in the link)

N.Korean Defector Recalls Being Tortured in CampThere were gasps in the audience at a press conference by female North Korean defectors in Washington, D.C. on Wednesday when Bang Mi-sun rolled up her black skirt and showed the deep ugly scars in her thighs. The event was part of North Korea Freedom Week.

As soon as she was asked to recount her life in a North Korean concentration camp, Bang (55) stepped on a chair and roll up her skirt. Various parts of her thighs were sunken as if the flesh had been gouged out. She also walks with a limp.

North Korean defector Bang Mi-sun shows her torture scars at a press conference in Washington, D.C. on Wednesday. /Yonhap
Bang had formerly been an actress with the propaganda squad of the Musan Mine. She fled the North with her children when her husband starved to death in 2002, but soon fell victim to human traffickers. She was arrested by Chinese police and was sent back to the North, where she was tortured. In 2004, she escaped again.

Bang testified that one 21-year-old pregnant woman who had fled to China and been forcibly repatriated was killed when she refused to have an abortion. Forced abortions of half-Chinese children apparently aim to prevent the proliferation of "unclean" stock due to the North's archaic obsession with the national bloodline.

She called on U.S. President Barack Obama to make sure no more North Korean women are "sold like livestock in China. Please raise your voice in the international community so that North Koreans no longer receive this subhuman treatment in prison."
englishnews@chosun.com / May 01, 2009 11:02 KST
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Re: Should 'we' strike N. Korea first?

Post by FBM » Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:17 pm

Beating the war drums:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090615/ap_ ... as_nuclear

NKorea holds massive rally to condemn UN sanctions

By HYUNG-JIN KIM, Associated Press Writer Hyung-jin Kim, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 50 mins ago
SEOUL, South Korea – Tens of thousands of North Koreans rallied in Pyongyang on Monday to condemn the U.N. rebuke of the country's latest nuclear test amid concern the communist regime could conduct another one.

The U.S. and South Korea are scrutinizing 11 underground sites across North Korea where it could conduct a third nuclear test, based on intelligence it may do so in protest of the U.N. Security Council sanctions, Seoul's JoongAng Ilbo newspaper reported earlier Monday.

Tension on the Korean peninsula spiked after the North declared Saturday it would accelerate its nuclear bomb-making program by producing more plutonium and uranium, two key ingredients.

The North also threatened war with any country that tries to stop its ships on the high seas as part of new Security Council sanctions passed in response to Pyongyang's May 25 nuclear test. It conducted its first test in 2006.

South Korean President Lee Myung-bak departed for summit talks in Washington on Tuesday with President Barack Obama that are expected to be dominated by the North's nuclear and missile programs.

In Pyongyang, a massive crowd of North Koreans packed the capital's main square in a rally to condemn the U.N. resolution, footage from APTN in North Korea showed. The isolated, totalitarian regime often organizes such rallies at times of tension with the outside world.

APTN North Korea estimated the crowd at about 100,000.

"We strongly condemn and wholly reject the U.N. Security Council's resolution on sanctions, fabricated at the instigation of U.S. imperialism hell-bent on its attempt at stifling" the North, Kim Ki Nam, a top Workers' Party official, told the crowd.

Participants clapped and chanted "Condemn! Reject!" in unison, pumping clenched fists into the sky.

The North is believed to have enough weaponized plutonium for at least half a dozen atomic bombs, and a U.S. government official said last week that Pyongyang may be preparing for another nuclear test, its third.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity in order to discuss the unreleased information and provided no details.

Also Monday, Yonhap news agency quoted an unidentified intelligence official as saying the North may have already built two to three underground test sites near its known Punggye-ri site in the remote northeast, where it conducted its first and second tests.

South Korea's Defense Ministry and National Intelligence Service said they could not confirm the reports.

A news report from Moscow quoted an official in the Russian military general staff as saying there has been a decrease in visible activity around North Korea's nuclear facilities in recent days.

This could either indicate that the North has prepared for a new underground nuclear test or is taking a break, according to the state-owned RIA-Novosti news agency. It did not name the official, and the general staff could not immediately be reached for comment.

North Korea has also been preparing to fire an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of striking the United States, U.S. officials have said. The North says the nuclear and missile programs are a deterrent against the United States.

Washington fears that cash-strapped North Korea will sell its nuclear technology to rogue nations, spreading the atomic threat.

The regime has also warned it cannot guarantee the safety of South Korean and U.S. navy ships sailing near the disputed western sea border, raising the specter for a maritime confrontation. The area is the scene of two bloody maritime skirmishes between the Koreas in 1999 and 2002.

South Korea's navy chief of staff said a maritime skirmish could occur "at any time" and that his forces were prepared.

"We will cut off the enemy's wrist even if they touch the tip of our finger," Jung Ok-keun said at a ceremony marking a deadly naval clash with North Korea in 1999.

But the Defense Ministry said Monday it has spotted no unusual moves by the North's military.

The strong ties between South Korea and the United States are a thorn in the side of wartime foe North Korea, which accuses the two countries of plotting an attack to topple the communist regime. The allies deny harboring any such intention.

But President Lee said his country's ties with the United States are "key" at a time of "intensifying" security crisis because of North Korea's nuclear and missile tests.

"I will use this summit to reconfirm the strong Korea-U.S. alliance," Lee said in a radio speech before his departure for Washington.

The two Koreas remain technically at war because their three-year conflict ended in a truce, not a peace treaty, in 1953, and they remain divided by a heavily fortified border. The U.S. has 28,500 troops in South Korea.

The two Koreas signed an accord to ease military tensions and promote economic cooperation nine years ago Monday. However, ties have significantly frayed since Lee, a conservative who advocates a hard-line approach, took office last year. The North responded by cutting off ties and halting joint business projects.

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Associated Press photographer Young-joon Ahn contributed to this report from Imjingak, South Korea.
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