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Liberal literature

Post by Lozzer » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:28 pm

My AS course for literature was rather odd this year, but other than mother-buggering and father killing and horse-molesting it covered themes such as sexuality, religion and ethnicity. It tackled these controversial subjects and entirely rebuked them. The reoccuring premise was that you shouldn't be homophobic, a retarded Christian or a racist. I loved it. But I can see why the right claims education has a liberal agenda. Some of the shit fellow students commented during the year was unbelievably stupid or just prejudiced. I hope reading has challenged their unwelcome precepts in class, but I'd love to read something so entirely in the face of acceptibility. However, it seems to be the case that there's very few books with an alternative approach to allegory or story telling. If you're smart enough to writer a best seller, you're probably unlikely to be a cunt.
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Re: Liberal literature

Post by Trolldor » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:40 pm

Libraries are fairly liberal with their literature.
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Post by Rum » Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:02 pm

Lozzer wrote:My AS course for literature was rather odd this year, but other than mother-buggering and father killing and horse-molesting it covered themes such as sexuality, religion and ethnicity. It tackled these controversial subjects and entirely rebuked them. The reoccuring premise was that you shouldn't be homophobic, a retarded Christian or a racist. I loved it. But I can see why the right claims education has a liberal agenda. Some of the shit fellow students commented during the year was unbelievably stupid or just prejudiced. I hope reading has challenged their unwelcome precepts in class, but I'd love to read something so entirely in the face of acceptibility. However, it seems to be the case that there's very few books with an alternative approach to allegory or story telling. If you're smart enough to writer a best seller, you're probably unlikely to be a cunt.
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Re: Liberal literature

Post by Eriku » Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:16 am

One of the weirdest and least judgemental books I've read is the Dice Man... A man let's the dice control his every move... Which is pricey when your profession is psychiatry :)

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Re: Liberal literature

Post by Pappa » Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:28 am

Eriku wrote:One of the weirdest and least judgemental books I've read is the Dice Man... A man let's the dice control his every move... Which is pricey when your profession is psychiatry :)
I really enjoyed reading that book. It was thought provoking in lots of ways. I remember being ammused/horrified/amazed about him using the dice to determine his parenting style (and also his rationale for doing so).

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Post by Comte de Saint-Germain » Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:09 pm

The problem is not so much a liberal bias in the Harvard establishment, as Nixon might put it, and how this extends to other universities and how this reflects selections of literature there, but questions about classes about economy in highschool and other schools.

In the Netherlands, we have politicians like Geert Wilders and the assassinated Pim Fortuyn. When teachers say that these men are dangerous and are bad for the Netherlands in a class in primary school, something is terribly wrong. Suddenly, teaching is not part of transferring some national dogma - like that the National-Socialist Party was wrong - but rather propaganda. Other examples are explaining the division of right and left tendentiously, like suggesting that the right doesn't care about the poor. This may be a prejudice of the left, but explaining it as a fact does not mean that the right explains their theory as that. Indeed, most theories of the right - and whether one agrees that this is realistic or not - believes that the economy will grow stronger, including the poor, by decreasing taxation.

I don't think the problem will ever be offering literature, which is merely a vehicle for ideas. If people have a problem with a teacher providing a book like Catcher in the Rye, these people are dogmatists - and that has no place in a discussion, they are ignorant buffoons - if a teacher is propagandising, then the question is radically different, and the right - or left - has a serious beef.

Example of the opposite side?

Propaganda: "Evolution is an atheist theory about humans descending from monkeys, rather than being created by God as we know to be true from the Bible."
Education: "Evolution is a scientific theory about life on Earth. There are alternatives to this theory, like the idea of the creation myth from the bible that are held to be true by some."

Per example, I think a school library should have religious texts. Naturally, not in the science area, but still.
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Re: Liberal literature

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:13 pm

The right doesn't produce much literature worth reading, so that leaves the left.
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Post by Tero » Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:30 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:The right doesn't produce much literature worth reading, so that leaves the left.
Yeah, how come their anncoulters and glennbecks are all the equivalent of Dave Barry. I can only think of PJ that I can actually read as humor even.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:32 pm

Tero wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:The right doesn't produce much literature worth reading, so that leaves the left.
Yeah, how come their anncoulters and glennbecks are all the equivalent of Dave Barry. I can only think of PJ that I can actually read as humor even.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P.J._O%27Rourke
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Post by Tero » Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:04 pm

I figured why PJ O'Rourke works for me. He does not support holy roller causes, being a libertarian.
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Re: Liberal literature

Post by charlou » Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:15 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:Because they have to meet their audience, and bile and vitriol are the things the audience is looking for.
I really don't get either aspect of this mindset ..
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Re: Liberal literature

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:18 pm

Charlou wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:Because they have to meet their audience, and bile and vitriol are the things the audience is looking for.
I really don't get either aspect of this mindset ..
It's anger and fear. They want to know that other people are angry about what they're angry about and afraid of what they're afraid of.
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Re: Liberal literature

Post by Comte de Saint-Germain » Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:23 pm

Tero wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:The right doesn't produce much literature worth reading, so that leaves the left.
Yeah, how come their anncoulters and glennbecks are all the equivalent of Dave Barry. I can only think of PJ that I can actually read as humor even.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P.J._O%27Rourke
William Buckley? Some of the work of Christopher Hitchens qualifies as being to the right. I think the idea of conservatism itself as a response to Marxism or other forces has a rich, intellectual history. Of course, it's rarely every 'literature' in the sense that it can motivate youngsters into 'being rebellious' or whatever trite nonsense liberals worship these days.
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Re: Liberal literature

Post by Lozzer » Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:20 pm

Comte de Saint-Germain wrote:
Tero wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:The right doesn't produce much literature worth reading, so that leaves the left.
Yeah, how come their anncoulters and glennbecks are all the equivalent of Dave Barry. I can only think of PJ that I can actually read as humor even.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P.J._O%27Rourke
William Buckley? Some of the work of Christopher Hitchens qualifies as being to the right. I think the idea of conservatism itself as a response to Marxism or other forces has a rich, intellectual history. Of course, it's rarely every 'literature' in the sense that it can motivate youngsters into 'being rebellious' or whatever trite nonsense liberals worship these days.
He's more neoconservative than anything else, at least in meta-politics. But saying that, you can both have conservative elements while being a liberal.
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Re: Liberal literature

Post by Tero » Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:05 pm

Oh yeah him, but his text, Buckley, puts me to sleep.
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