I just linked you to two posts in a previous post. Just let me know when you are actually ready.jamest wrote:I'm supposed to be doing an assignment. I just keep popping my head in to see the latest developments, but I don't really have time for any lengthy discussion right now. And I really do wish that you would elucidate or link me to a post so that I know what you're asking me.SpeedOfSound wrote:I see you lurking jamest. Answer my post above so we can get on to your observer hypothesis.
Metaphysics as an Error
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lifegazer says "Now, the only way to proceed to claim that brains create experience, is to believe that real brains exist (we certainly cannot study them). And if a scientist does this, he transcends the barriers of both science and metaphysics."
lifegazer says "Now, the only way to proceed to claim that brains create experience, is to believe that real brains exist (we certainly cannot study them). And if a scientist does this, he transcends the barriers of both science and metaphysics."
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How it's done. Here's another way.
SpeedOfSound wrote:Is data a self-construct? Is there treeness?
Is this too much effort cutting and pasting for too small a yield? Who can decide that?SpeedOfSound wrote:Why is the data(treeness) not relevant?
Is it possible to communicate by asking and pretending to answer questions posed in these forms? Depends on how you define "communicate".
And so it goes with metaphysics: "It all depends on what you mean by 'metaphysics'".
The point of the OP is that when we ask those who propose to discuss metaphysics to consider metaphysics as an error, they start talking about "existence" instead, without a commitment to the sort of discourse we are going to be having.
IS an "observation" only an act that can be subsumed under what we all recognise as empirical, or is the subjective conviction of an ordering principle in the universe equally an "observation". All the two actions have in common is the capacity to lay words around them.
It is clear that there is a discourse of subjective convictions. Can it be "legitimated" by expressing itself?
Is saying "legitimate" self-legitimating? Have we figured out a means to dictate an infinite amount of nonsense about nothing?
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Guys and gals: I'm going to temporarily lock this thread due to the number of complaints I've gotten by PM in the last little while. I repeat: this is just temporary. It's 1:45 a.m. here and I'm going to pass the problem on to whoever is up to the task. Please hold your thoughts for just a bit until the matter is processed. Thanks for your patience.
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Hush! I'll get to it... 
"A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken
"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."
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Now who's complaining? Christ, I just want to know about treeness.
Favorite quote:
lifegazer says "Now, the only way to proceed to claim that brains create experience, is to believe that real brains exist (we certainly cannot study them). And if a scientist does this, he transcends the barriers of both science and metaphysics."
lifegazer says "Now, the only way to proceed to claim that brains create experience, is to believe that real brains exist (we certainly cannot study them). And if a scientist does this, he transcends the barriers of both science and metaphysics."
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It's an anagram of "sneer set".SpeedOfSound wrote:Now who's complaining? Christ, I just want to know about treeness.
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Yeah, don't you know how fugin annoying that is?SpeedOfSound wrote:Now who's complaining? Christ, I just want to know about treeness.
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I am assisting in this matter. I just want to reiterate what was posted before, only with some edits:
Everyone: You are being far too personal in your posts. The constant "he said - she said" between you is irrelevant to the topic and boring to everyone else. Will you please knock it on the head now. Some of you are not playing nice.
The rules of this forum don't include 'official warnings'. Board warnings are only given as a joke for trivial acts of supreme inanity. What we do issue is reminders to play nice, which you have already received, which eventually include a warning that any further such behaviour will result in a brief suspension, so that you will have time to consider whether you really do understand the Play Nice rule. This post is that warning. The next time anyone posts a continuation of your childish arguments, that person will be sent for a vacation. And one word in retaliation from the other will mean the same for them.
Now can everyone please try to limit themselves to the topic. Enjoy your philosophising.
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Everyone: You are being far too personal in your posts. The constant "he said - she said" between you is irrelevant to the topic and boring to everyone else. Will you please knock it on the head now. Some of you are not playing nice.
The rules of this forum don't include 'official warnings'. Board warnings are only given as a joke for trivial acts of supreme inanity. What we do issue is reminders to play nice, which you have already received, which eventually include a warning that any further such behaviour will result in a brief suspension, so that you will have time to consider whether you really do understand the Play Nice rule. This post is that warning. The next time anyone posts a continuation of your childish arguments, that person will be sent for a vacation. And one word in retaliation from the other will mean the same for them.
Now can everyone please try to limit themselves to the topic. Enjoy your philosophising.
The thread will now be temporarily locked for a cool down period.
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Just to back up what Mai has said, we ask you to "play nice" if you post here. If you can't figure out what "play nice" means, you will probably fail to do so. Keep that in mind if/when we reopen this thread.
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There is not a lot of point in reopening this thread, as it is close to the 1000 post limit. If someone would like to continue this conversation in a new thread, please feel free to start one. 
However, try and keep things a little more civil than they have been in this one. First person to call anyone else a troll or a fuckwit gets a holiday. If you think that someone is trolling, tell the staff.
However, try and keep things a little more civil than they have been in this one. First person to call anyone else a troll or a fuckwit gets a holiday. If you think that someone is trolling, tell the staff.
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You talk to God, you're religious. God talks to you, you're psychotic.
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This is the wrong forum for bluffing
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