GOP Primaries/Caucuses Discussions, Jokes and Predictions

[pErvinalia]

I saw a good quote tonight (paraphrasing): It's not Trump that is scary. Its the fact that he has supporters.

Whatever Trump might really be, a lot of his supporters aren't afraid of violent, racist and sexist rhetoric. And even actual violence going by his campaign events.

Yet you ONLY see that violent behavior from Bernie and Clinton supporters.

Bullshit. Protesters have been king hit (sucker punched) in his rallies.

[JimC]

That's just bizarre.

You'd think the states registering companies would need some proof of id from the person registering.

It's done online, so, no. You just fill out the form. Looks much the same in Oz. Just fill out a form and submit it.

What ID requirements exist in Oz to form a corporation?

I'm not sure. I'm trying to remember back to when I got my ABN (Australian Business Number) as a self trader. I'm pretty sure back then it was all paper forms. But can't remember how I even submitted it.

What did you trade your self for?

And isn't that a bit dodgy, since "self" is an illusion?

[pErvinalia]

You're only a figment of my imagination, so I'm not responding to that.

[Tyrannical]

http://www.ksdk.com/mb/news/nation-now/ ... /165144506

Thank you crimmigrant rioters! Huge surge in Trump support as he hits 54% in California polls. 14 points since last month's poll. Remember to keep it up, only by rioting can you ensure a Trump victory and get that Wall built lol

[Forty Two]

http://www.ksdk.com/mb/news/nation-now/ ... /165144506

Thank you crimmigrant rioters! Huge surge in Trump support as he hits 54% in California polls. 14 points since last month's poll. Remember to keep it up, only by rioting can you ensure a Trump victory and get that Wall built lol

They descendants of Spanish colonialists are protesting against the descendants of Anglo-Saxon colonialists because the Anglo-Saxons beat the Spanish in a war started by the Spanish and settled a peace treaty setting the borders at the Rio Grande. Give California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada and Texas back to their rightful colonial overlords!

[Forty Two]

I saw a good quote tonight (paraphrasing): It's not Trump that is scary. Its the fact that he has supporters.

Whatever Trump might really be, a lot of his supporters aren't afraid of violent, racist and sexist rhetoric. And even actual violence going by his campaign events.

Yet you ONLY see that violent behavior from Bernie and Clinton supporters.

Bullshit. Protesters have been king hit (sucker punched) in his rallies.

Yeah, like one guy. There were protesters hitting Trump supporters at Trump rallies - and now they're rolling cop cars, setting fires, and beating the shit out of Trump supporters.

[pErvinalia]

Tu quoque.

[Forty Two]

Tu quoque.

Nope. Difference in degree. When one douchebag gets sucker punched after attempting to disrupt a peaceful rally, it's not the same thing as organized bands of "protesters" (some paid) purposefully going to peaceful rallies for the purposes of provoking and badgering the attendees -- and it's not the same thing as mobs of people rioting, rolling cars, setting fires, and beating the living shit out of people.

Oh wait - they're punching up, or something.... nevermind.

[Tyrannical]

Actually a lot of those rioting Latinos are faux Latinos, they are native south / central american indians. Some of them don't even speak Spanish but their native precolumbian language.

[pErvinalia]

Tu quoque.

Nope. Difference in degree. When one douchebag gets sucker punched after attempting to disrupt a peaceful rally, it's not the same thing as organized bands of "protesters" (some paid) purposefully going to peaceful rallies for the purposes of provoking and badgering the attendees -- and it's not the same thing as mobs of people rioting, rolling cars, setting fires, and beating the living shit out of people.

Oh wait - they're punching up, or something.... nevermind.

You need to look up what a tu quoque is.

[Forty Two]

Actually you need to look it up, because you obviously haven't a clue what it means. Saying that one group's conduct is far worse than another group's conduct, or that the conduct of various people is different in kind, character and degree, is not tu quoque.

[Tyrannical]

Tu quoque? Haven't seen Trump supporters rioting at Bernie and Clinton rallies. Haven't seen them assaulting police or destroying cop cars. Haven't seen pre teen Trump supporters saying Fuck Bernie, or calling Bernie supporters male prostitutes.
But please keep rioting bernies brown shirts, there is no better way to get Trump's message across and have him gain support.

[Forty Two]

fivethirtyeight.com now has Trump with 83% chance of winning in Indiana, 89% chance of winning California and essentially no chance of losing New Jersey.

If Trump wins 50% of the vote in Indiana, you can say goodbye to Cruz. No chance. Trump will have decisively taken 7 states in a row with over 50% of the vote. New Jersey coming up is one of his strongest states, and California is falling decidedly Trump of late. The momentum is clear.

Cruz's dad is running around the country asking "The body of Christ" to follow the will of God and vote for Cruz. Man, that is just what we don't need. People think Trump is a maniac? The Cruz camp thinks it's on a mission from God. Fuck. No more of that. Get the Christian right out of here. I'm sick of them.

[pErvinalia]

Actually you need to look it up, because you obviously haven't a clue what it means. Saying that one group's conduct is far worse than another group's conduct, or that the conduct of various people is different in kind, character and degree, is not tu quoque.

Tu quoque is a fallacy of hypocrisy. That's exactly what you are doing. No matter what anyone else does, it's irrelevant to whether Trump supporters engage in violence. Talking about others is irrelevant.

And further, the point you and T are missing is that Trump incites this sort of behaviour with his rhetoric. Bernie and Hillary don't engage in that sort of base rhetoric.

[Forty Two]

Actually you need to look it up, because you obviously haven't a clue what it means. Saying that one group's conduct is far worse than another group's conduct, or that the conduct of various people is different in kind, character and degree, is not tu quoque.

Tu quoque is a fallacy of hypocrisy. That's exactly what you are doing.

That isn't at all what I'm doing. I am not saying that violent protest must be o.k. because someone else does it. I am saying violence is not okay, but the anti-Trump protesters are the far worse offenders, without a doubt - they call for violence, they provoke, they're often paid to disrupt, and often their purpose is to provoke and attack Trump fans. And, the degree of anti-Trump violence so far outstrips the kind and character of any examples of violence by Trump supporters that it's not even close to the same thing.

No matter what anyone else does, it's irrelevant to whether Trump supporters engage in violence. Talking about others is irrelevant.

Well, it is relevant when paid protesters attend Trump engagements for the purpose of provoking violence through fighting words and instigating violence themselves. Like the so-called protester who was pepper sprayed -- she hit the arms of one Trump supporter and then took a swing at another -- so she was pepper sprayed. Her violence is directly relevant to the Trump supporter's violence in that instance.

I never suggested that because Trump protesters are violent in an unrelated incident it justifies Trump supporter violence. Non-self-defense violence is inappropriate whoever does it. However, that doesn't mean that a single incident of a Trump supporter hitting someone is just as bad as mass riots involving multiple attacks, property destruction, rolling cop cars, and the like.

The violence among anti-Trump protesters is way worse than anything committed by Trump supporters, and the violence called for and advocated for by anti-Trump protesters far outstrips any of the allegations of "violent rhetoric" leveled against Trump and his supporters. That's not tu quoque, that's pointing out that that X is worse than Y. I'm not justifying Y because of X.

Can you even read the English language?

And further, the point you and T are missing is that Trump incites this sort of behaviour with his rhetoric. Bernie and Hillary don't engage in that sort of base rhetoric.

No, Trump does not incite this sort of behavior with his rhetoric. But, feel free to quote his rhetoric where he is calling for people to do this stuff.

I mean - yours is just a flat out false statement - Trump incites people to roll cop cars because he calls for immigration reform and completion of the wall that has been partially built along the southern border? He incites people to set fires and be paid disruptors and agitators by saying that he wants to make America great again, that China and Mexico cheat on trade deals, and that he thinks our military has been weakened? What "rhetoric" are you referring to, specifically. Don't just refer generally - quote the rhetoric that "incites" violence.

And, if some group gets so upset at a political opinion that they don't agree with or they (whether rightly or wrongly) consider to be "hateful" or "racist" gets them in a tizzy such that they roll cop cars and such -- that's their problem, not Trumps. They are the ones engaged in violent rhetoric and actual violence. They are the ones inciting stuff.

If rhetoric about building a wall and making Mexico pay for it pisses some small minority of people off such that they commit and advocate immediate violence in response - then that small minority of people are in the wrong and should be prosecuted for their crimes.