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Post by Seabass » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:34 am

Forty Two wrote:The middle picture is interesting. Looks like a big fight, and i can't tell who is whom. There are some BLM signs and I can see some leftist and communist signage in there too. What's that pic of?
What the fuck? The first and second pictures are of the alt-right neo-nazi James Alex Fields Jr. ramming his car into a crowd of counter-protesters in Charlottesville, killing one and injuring dozens in the process. Do you seriously not know about that incident? Holy fuck.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/13/us/charl ... index.html

edit: the third and fourth pictures are also from the Charlottesville "unite the right" rally/protest.

Your assessment of how bad the alt-right, neo-nazi, neo-confederate problems are in this country is alarming. Either a) you don't see them as a problem because you sympathize with their views, or b) you are oblivious to them because you live in a crazy, right-wing news bubble. I'm not sure which of these is the case. I suspect the latter.
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Post by Tero » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:09 am

Problematic white rural folks:
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Trump supporters are saying this. Progressive pundits are saying this. Talking heads across all forms of the media are saying this. Even some Democratic leaders are saying this. It doesn’t matter how many people say it, it is complete BS. It is an intellectual/linguistic sleight of hand meant to draw attention away from the real problem. The real problem isn’t East Coast elites who don’t understand or care about rural America. The real problem is that rural Americans don’t understand the causes of their own situations and fears and they have shown no interest in finding out. They don’t want to know why they feel the way they do or why they are struggling because they don’t want to admit it is in large part because of the choices they’ve made and the horrible things they’ve allowed themselves to believe.

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Re: Problematic Stuff

Post by Forty Two » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:20 am

Of course I know about the incident. I didn't recognize the second image. Why are you, and some others, so fucking abrasive? I said nothing untoward regarding the matter. That guy deserves the life sentence he will surely get, if not worse.

You've noted one incident. That's not common. It's not even rare. There are right wing extremist groups, like Nazis and stuff around, but they are not supported by the media or the political establishment. They are resoundingly condemned all around. The same is not true of leftist violence. When there is a G20 meeting and the Blac bloc and other asshats start beating people up and smashing windows, the media slow plays it, and hardly reports on it. It took the media years to come to grips that antifa were not good guys, or peaceniks. And, they still report on them like they're on the side of right, most of the time.

Fuck off with this "crazy right wing news bubble" nonsense. I guarantee you my reading is far more eclectic and wide-ranging than yours.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:35 am

This is a very emotive topic, but I'd like everyone to settle down a bit and focus on the issues rather than their assessment of other members' capacities and qualities.

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Re: Problematic Stuff

Post by Seabass » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:44 am

Forty Two wrote:Why are you, and some others, so fucking abrasive?
You helped put an amoral, narcissistic, sociopathic, racist, sexist, xenophobic, fascistic, authoritarian shitbag in a position of immense power. So no, I don't give a fuck about your feelings because you clearly don't give a fuck about anyone else's feelings, or their wellbeing or safety. I feel ZERO obligation to be kind to you for the same reason that I feel ZERO obligation to be kind to a fucking NSDAP voter. This will not change as long as you support Trump. Deal with it, asshole.
They are resoundingly condemned all around.
Your beloved dear leader sure as fuck didn't didn't condemn them.
Fuck off with this "crazy right wing news bubble" nonsense. I guarantee you my reading is far more eclectic and wide-ranging than yours.
Yeah, right.
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Post by Seabass » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:48 am

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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:09 am

There's a big difference between shouting at Jordan Fuckface (or even punching Spencer Fuckface) and murdering people. Of course the Alt-Right is roundly condemned - it's full of murderers and potential murderers! Casey the purple haired lesbian won't be murdering anyone any time soon.

Fuck, to think that SJWs are a bigger threat to society is spastic thinking. That right there is evidence enough that 42 lives in a media bubble.
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:08 am

Forty Two wrote:... the "This Machine Kills Fascists" sign is kinda funny -- Woody Guthrie stole the line when he became a patriot during the War ...
Is that so? Who did he steal it from?

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Post by Tero » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:17 pm

Fuck you white dude! Go back to Kentucky! Or Florida!
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Re: Problematic Stuff

Post by Forty Two » Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:42 pm

Seabass wrote:
Forty Two wrote:Why are you, and some others, so fucking abrasive?
You helped put an amoral, narcissistic, sociopathic, racist, sexist, xenophobic, fascistic, authoritarian shitbag in a position of immense power.
I agree he's probably mostly amoral, narcissistic, sociopathic, but I disagree on the racist, sexist and xenophobic comments. I would submit Hillary Clinton, the alternative, is also amoral, narcissistic, and sociopathic. So your vote would have helped put that warmonger and darling of Wall Street and the financial sector into office.
Seabass wrote: So no, I don't give a fuck about your feelings because you clearly don't give a fuck about anyone else's feelings, or their wellbeing or safety.
I don't give a fuck what you give a fuck about. Just abide by the rules. I'm not the one who constantly starts shit here. That's certain other folks, and now you, that can't talk to someone they disagree with without behaving like you are.
Seabass wrote: I feel ZERO obligation to be kind to you for the same reason that I feel ZERO obligation to be kind to a fucking NSDAP voter.
That much is obvious, and also not required. I don't care whether you're kind to me. There are very few rules here, and being kind is not one of them. I tend to like to be kind and gracious to others, and do not behave as you do, attacking those whose political views upset you. Just note that you are not in any superior moral or legal position here, so nobody has any obligation to be kind to you either. However, I'm not kind or cordial out of a sense of obligation -- it's just how I was raised.
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This will not change as long as you support Trump. Deal with it, asshole.
Deal with what? Your opposition? I welcome it. I much prefer to talk to people who oppose my views. I only find juvenile rantings like yours to be non-productive and less than enjoyable, because they're pointless. You're doing nothing more than lurching your head back and screaming at the sky.
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They are resoundingly condemned all around.
Your beloved dear leader sure as fuck didn't didn't condemn them.
Sure he did. He simply also condemned others too. And, that's not enough for you, apparently,because you subscribe to the Nathan Rambukana school of thought.
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Fuck off with this "crazy right wing news bubble" nonsense. I guarantee you my reading is far more eclectic and wide-ranging than yours.
Yeah, right.
http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 7#p1745717
Right, you prove my point. A few ancient links amounting to a tiny, infinitessimally small fraction of my total posts is not proof that I am in a right wing bubble. The sites I usually cite are things like, oh, the new York Times, the Washington Post, Washington Times, Washington Examiner, CNN, ABC News, NBCNews, MSNBC, The Guardian, The Nation, The Spectator, The American Spectator, Forbes, Slate, Real Clear Politics, CNBC, Yahoo, Reuters, AP, etc. I've even cited Huffington Post, Alternet, and a variety of left wing material, non-American newspapers and other sources.

It's you who are in the bubble, because you refuse to go outside your left-wing, SJW box, to the extent you read at all.
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Re: Problematic Stuff

Post by Forty Two » Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:44 pm

L'Emmerdeur wrote:
Forty Two wrote:... the "This Machine Kills Fascists" sign is kinda funny -- Woody Guthrie stole the line when he became a patriot during the War ...
Is that so? Who did he steal it from?
Yes, that's so. He did not coin it. It was a phrase used by the US Government on stickers they handed out to defense department workers, so they could put it on stuff for the war effort to point out that the machine they made kills fascists.

But, the communists in that photo, holding the sign and waving the Soviet flag would probably have been supportive of the Soviet Union and Stalin, just like Woody was.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Problematic Stuff

Post by Forty Two » Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:05 pm

Yes, that's quite rude and racist, and that guy's an asshole.

At least he didn't beat the hell out of anyone:



At least he didn't steal someone's property:


At least he didn't club people in the head and assault police horses:


Look at this one:

At least he's not a college professor assaulting students and reporters to try to prevent them from covering a news event in a public area:
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Another angle-
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Post by Forty Two » Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:09 pm



"It's our job to go out there and make sure they don't spread their ideas."

"Politically, I'm an anarcho communist."

LOL
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Post by Forty Two » Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:10 pm

“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Problematic Stuff

Post by Tero » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:17 pm

Dangerous chemist arrested by ICE. He might have chemicals!
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