Election 2016 Thread

[Brian Peacock]

If Clunton wins will Trump demand she produces her long form birth certificates, and vice versa?

[pErvinalia]

If he loses he will probably have the mother of all dummy spits and then launch a range of Trump feminine hygiene products. Trump Tampons: They're HUGE!

[rainbow]

...and the microdom.

[JimC]

I was imagining Trump as a birder. Or better yet, Trump and Hillary go birding. They are in the same area but different teams. Trump gets the checklist and checks off all the birds and lights up a cigar, never leaving the parking lot. An hour later the Hillary party comes back. She has checked off all but 5 of the rarest. And she saw a chickadee, a robin and a cardinal, as well as a few woodpeckers. She checked off all woodpeckers.

"Donald, where are your binoculars?" "I left them home. We birded by ear."

Funnily enough, my mum, a great bird watcher, had the most marvellous ear for the birdsong of our small bush birds. She could identify extremely well by hearing the song...

[DRSB]

Paul Krugman Reveals the Real Culprit for the Tightening of the Presidential Race

"A lot more Americans than we’d like to imagine are white nationalists at heart," Krugman concedes.
But evil racial motivations don't fully explain why Clinton's poll numbers suddenly started sagging after August. Nope. Credit for that (or, rather, blame) goes to the media. Krugman writes:

[Clinton] got Gored. That is, like Al Gore in 2000, she ran into a buzz saw of adversarial reporting from the mainstream media, which treated relatively minor missteps as major scandals, and invented additional scandals out of thin air.

Meanwhile, her opponent’s genuine scandals and various grotesqueries were downplayed or whitewashed; but as Jonathan Chait of New York magazine says, the normalization of Donald Trump was probably less important than the abnormalization of Hillary Clinton.

It might not be sexism that drives the coverage of Hillary. It might be more "the cool kids in high school jeering at the class nerd." Bizarrely, Clinton was even criticized for being "overprepared" for the debate.

Try though Trump might, the debate was so lopsided as to be "unspinnable."

Krugman believes it might have been another turning point, and recommends the media do some soul-searching for their role in bringing the country to this precipice.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/p ... ntial-race

[Forty Two]

If Clunton wins will Trump demand she produces her long form birth certificates, and vice versa?

Maybe - various presidents and candidates have had this happen. One was the very white and very male Chester Arthur. Arthur's father was born in Ireland and his mother in the US, and the allegation was that Arthur was born in Canada. He would have been born to an American mother outside the US with a foreign national father. The same thing people were saying about Obama.

McCain as a candidate was challenged as to his citizenship/eligibility, based on being born in Panama.

Barry Goldwater in 1964 -- he was born in the Arizona Territory in 1909, before Arizona became a state. His eligibility was challenged by his opponents. He was a fairly white fellow too, and he seems male. He may have been a woman, but his gender assignment at birth was male and he didn't make any contrary identifications. So, while we can't read his mind, and he may have been hiding his true gender from the Patriarchy, at the time people thought he was male.

George Romney ran for Prez in 1968. His parents were born in Utah territory, before it became a State, and he himself was born in Mexico. He was challenged.

Charles E. Hughes, who was Republican and lost to Woodrow Wilson -- Hughes' eligibility was challenged because his father was a citizen of the British Empire.

So - all this nonsense about the bias of challenging citizenship or eligiibility is fucking nonsense. Every white candidate and his brother are challenged whenever any opponent can come up with some thread to hang onto. Obama was treated equally to white candidates. Hillary is being treated like any other candidate.

[Animavore]

Obama was treated equally to white candidates.

And now for something different.

GOP’s official website declares Pence the “clear winner” of the VP debate hours before the debate happens.
October 4, 2016 by JT Eberhard 6 Comments
Well, this is awkward.
So, the Vice Presidential debate is in a couple hours. Mike Pence and Tim Kaine will have at each other for a couple of hours and then, after it’s over, the American people will decide who won.
Funny thing: if you run a google search for “gop vice president debate early” the first entry is one from the GOP’s site titled “Who Won the Vice Presidential Debate”:

If you click that link it’s now a 404 (page not found). So why is it at the top of a Google search? Well, that’s because about 20 minutes ago the GOP mistakenly published the winner of the debate. Surprise, it was Mike Pence:


Yes, for a brief moment (but not brief enough to keep screen shots from being taken), you could go to the GOP’s website to see the winner of a debate that has not yet happened. Oops.
And moderators, you’re not off the hook. You were very unfair to Mike Pence…er…you will be very unfair to Mike Pence! One of those two:

Yo, debate moderators, YOU ALREADY FAILED TOO! https://t.co/BoaoHmw6m9 pic.twitter.com/9e5B8EASTm
— Emily Cahn (@CahnEmily) October 4, 2016

Well, a big congrats to Mike Pence! I would say you earned it, but you’ve yet to have the chance. But, I mean, congrats on the charity and dishonesty from your own party. That’s kind of like a win, except it’s like lying to get a participation trophy. So…not like a win at all.
What a fucking clown show. I think every time Pence mentions dishonesty/corruption tonight, as it’s now clear he intends to do, I’ll just tweet out a link to this blog post. Oh, Hillary’s out to mislead the American people? Boy, you can’t stand it when people do that, I’ll bet.

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[Forty Two]

Obama was treated equally to white candidates.

He was -- everything was used against him to take him down. Exactly as white candidates have been treated for the last couple of hundred years in the US. The dirty tricks, lies, and propaganda have been as bad or worse than "he was born in Kenya" stuff.

I just named about five candidates above who were white and whose overseas birth was alleged and used against them, just as Obama's was.

Our founding fathers did it to each other - Thomas Jefferson's campaign accused then President Adams of having a "hideous hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman." In return, Adams' campaign called then Vice President Jefferson "a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father."

Thomas Jefferson was the precursor to Bill Clinton, with his opponents releasing stories about Thomas Jefferson's affairs with other women not his wife -- including a slave, Sally Hemings.

Later in the race between Andrew Jackson and John Quincy Adams, the Adams' camp said Jackson had the personality of a dictator, was too uneducated to be president (they claimed he spelled Europe 'Urope'), and hurled all sorts of horrible insults at his wife, Rachel. Rachel had been in an abusive marriage with a man who finally divorced her, but divorce was still quite the scandal at the time. The Adams Federalists called her a "dirty black wench", a "convicted adulteress" and said she was prone to "open and notorious lewdness". On the other hand, Andrew Jackson's people said that Adams had sold his wife's maid as a concubine to the czar of Russia. Andrew Jackson's mother was caricatured as a common prostitute that the sailors brought over for the benefit of the English Navy and Jackson himself "was called a murderer, a traitor, and mentally unstable."

Yes, Obama had it sooooooo bad....so much worse than being accused of selling a woman into sex slavery to another head of state, or having his mother attacked as a whore for English sailors....

Lincoln and Douglas had a good one too - for example, when Douglas went on a cross country campaign tour, Lincoln and his supporters put out a "Lost Child" handbill that said he "Left Washington, D.C. some time in July, to go home to his mother... who is very anxious about him. Seen in Philadelphia, New York City, Hartford, Conn., and at a clambake in Rhode Island. Answers to the name Little Giant. Talks a great deal, very loud, always about himself." 'Little Giant' was a potshot at Douglas' height - he was only 5'4". He was also said to be "about five feet nothing in height and about the same in diameter the other way." Douglas took aim at Lincoln, too, saying he was a "horrid-looking wretch, sooty and scoundrelly in aspect, a cross between the nutmeg dealer, the horse-swapper and the nightman." Another good one? "Lincoln is the leanest, lankest, most ungainly mass of legs and arms and hatchet face ever strung on a single frame."

[Animavore]

[Forty Two]

[laklak]

I see your Thumb Up Dave and raise you Banana Hammock Dave.

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[Tero]

If you voted for Governor Romney for president and believe Hillary’s emails disqualify her, you are a hypocrite. End of story. Read no further. And if you think Hillary should be locked up for her email abuse then you should also demand that President George W. Bush get life in prison.

When Governor Romney left office in 2007, he took unprecedented measures todelete and destroy all electronic documents. He spent over $100,000 of state funds to replace all computers and each of his staffers purchased hard drives from their machines. These actions were unprecedented. His decision was very timely as the entire cleansing took place a few months before Romney launched his 2008 campaign for president

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/if- ... f8f9044df1

[Forty Two]

If you voted for Governor Romney for president and believe Hillary’s emails disqualify her, you are a hypocrite. End of story. Read no further. And if you think Hillary should be locked up for her email abuse then you should also demand that President George W. Bush get life in prison.

When Governor Romney left office in 2007, he took unprecedented measures todelete and destroy all electronic documents. He spent over $100,000 of state funds to replace all computers and each of his staffers purchased hard drives from their machines. These actions were unprecedented. His decision was very timely as the entire cleansing took place a few months before Romney launched his 2008 campaign for president

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/if- ... f8f9044df1

Her emails themselves don't "disqualify" her. Her lies and obfuscation cause me not to trust her as far as I could throw her.

Replacing computers would not delete email records. The emails don't disappear when they computer is replaced. Emails are on systems that are managed by a server and backed up off-site. It's silly to suggest that buying new computers for the staffers would make their emails disappear. Also, what in the hell does it mean for "each of his staffers purchased hard drives from their machines?" Staffers bought the hard drives that were in their machines? What does that even mean?

Now, if, indeed as the article states there were emails deleted due to the replacement of a server, this would likely have contravened the open records and/or freedom of information act in the State of Massachusetts. If records retention and disclosure law were violated, that could be a criminal violation and could result in civil money damages. I would suggest that someone pursue that.

The article reads like someone trying too hard to make an equivalence.

[Tero]

"You just can't trust Hillary." She's just one crazy woman, a grandma. She might microwave the baby after giving it a bath!

[Tero]

Florida: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein Emerson Clinton 44, Trump 45, Johnson 4, Stein 3 Trump +1

Jeb Bush may have to go fiddle with the election sites with the new governor, to get Trump elected! Only, he is not terribly motivated. It's not family.