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Tyrannical wrote: I think the upcoming presidential debates between Clinton and Trump are going to be hugely important, and that's really what's going to determine where the independent vote goes.

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Post by Forty Two » Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:11 pm

Trump took all five states yesterday. He took every county in every state, and wound up with all the delegates. I think Cruz got zero yesterday, or perhaps under a handful. But, I think the last I saw the results were that Cruz was destroyed, coming in third in three out of 5 states, and getting no delegates.

He is in Indiana, setting up "The Alamo." Basically, Indiana is it. He is already mathematically eliminated from reaching 1237, but he still thinks he can spoil Trump and cause a contested convention. Trump has about 949 delegates now, and needs 1237 to clinch. On top of the 949, the Pennsylvania delegates are mostly stating they are going with trump -- about 33 confirmed so far, meaning he has about 982, locked up, and so he only needs about 255 to have it sewn up.

Even if he falls short of 1237, it would be very controversial for the delegates to go against the will of their constituencies and run to Cruz. Cruz, who has been resoundingly defeated -- Trump has destroyed him in the last 6 straight states. How can they justify that? The references to "the rules" ring hollow. First, the rules are fluid, and the rules committee has the power to change the rules anytime they want, even this far into the game, they can change the rules. So, people don't look at the rules as being "rules." Second, just because delegates can become unbound after the first ballot at the GOP Convention, doesn't mean they should vote for Cruz over Trump. When the districts from which the delegates came from were pro-Trump, on what basis do they select Cruz? Their own judgment being better than the voters' judgment? Why wouldn't it make more sense for Rubio, Cruz, and Kasich voters to move to Trump, under the logic that the losers should rally around the clear favorite, not the other way around.

If Trump has over 1100 delegates after June 7 -- it will absolutely destroy the Republican Party for them to pull the rug out from under him. People will freak the fuck out. It's not that the rules should be "whoever has the most delegates wins" -- it's just a common sense look at the fact that nobody was even close to him. It makes no sense to pick someone with 550 delegates over someone with twice as many delegates. And, it makes even less sense to bring in a White Knight, who never needed to be vetted by the primary process, to simply step in and be the nominee against the will of far and away the plurality of GOP voters. This is especially true when for the first several months of the primaries, there were more than 10 and up to 17 candidates getting votes in each primary.

Trump is showing strength against Clinton, and the best move for the GOP is to rally behind him, and unite to defeat Crooked Hillary.
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Post by piscator » Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:20 pm

60,000+ support the right to bear arms at the Republican National Convention. You got to figure most of them are Trump supporters, right?

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Post by Animavore » Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:27 pm

Mr Drumpf swept five states in Tuesday's primaries, bringing him close to securing the Republican nomination against Texas Senator Ted Cruz and Ohio Governor John Kasich.

Mrs Clinton, meanwhile, is now 90% of the way to her party's nomination after four solid victories of her own.

Mr Drumpf, the Republican businessman, pushed forward with his charge that Mrs Clinton is "playing the woman card", telling CNN's New Day that "she does have the woman card" but said that "a lot of women don't like Hillary, despite the card".

Mrs Clinton said during her rally in Philadelphia on Tuesday night that "if fighting for women's health care and paid family leave and equal pay is playing the 'woman card', then deal me in".
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Yeah, that's going to get you votes. :roll:
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Post by Forty Two » Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:29 pm

piscator wrote:Yet another day passes in which twice as many people vote for Hillary than Trump...
bThis is true; however, not unexpected, as the states in question are largely blue states. Thus, when you have a closed primary, there is no crossover of Democrats who would support Trump voting in the Republican Primary. Maryland, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, and New York were all closed primaries, meaning independents and Democrats were not permitted to cast votes for GOP candidates.

Now, it's definitely an uphill battle for Trump to invade traditional northeast blue blood states. However, it's an even steeper uphill battle for someone like Cruz. He was coming in third in most of the northeast states - the blue states hate Ted Cruz.

So, we have Trump sweeping through evangelical states that were thought to be right in Cruz's wheelhouse, and Trump also doing well in the northeast states.

If anyone is capable of winning over independents and some democrats, it's not Cruz, that's for sure. What democrats in blue states are going to vote for the Texan, "anti-New York values" religious dominionist? The answer is none. What democrats in blue states MAY vote for Trump -- blue collar factor workers, police officers, firefighters, emergency workers, their friends and families - hard working, middle class democrats, who aren't all that pro-Progressive Leftist wing -- i.e., the conservative democrats, of which there are a fair number.

Also, a pundit on MSNBC suggested yesterday that Trump's willingness to street-fight, so to speak, to do anything, and really slog it out, may mean that he can land some haymakers on Hillary that will stick. She has weaknesses. If you listen to the Bernie democrats, they often loathe Hillary, and they don't view her as the "second best candidate." She is often viewed as unacceptable. Those people may stay home, or may vote for Trump to say "fuck you."

Hillary doesn't have the mystique of untouchability. And, her sex is not going to shield her now. Nobody can say "they wouldn't say that about a man" after the way media portrayed Trump over the last 10 months. The media will never hit Hillary as hard as they hit Trump, and Trump has 10 months of cartoons mocking his appearance, people commenting on his skin, his hair, his physique, his hands (implying his cock is small) - they've called him a loser, a fraud, a failure, a failed businessman, a joke, a buffoon, and worse. If Hillary tries to say "this is misogyny, they would never treat me this way if were a man" -- her campaign will be laughed out of the room.

If her campaign tries to say that people against her are sexists -- that too will backfire. People aren't going to take it. No, Hillary, it's not that you're a woman -- it's that you are a liar and cheat. And, here's the proof that you're a liar and a cheat. And, if they try to say Trump will be a loose cannon war monger, Trump will be able to fire back that Hillary is more pro-war than most conservative Republicans, she's a neocon, and there are Democrats to refer to that agree.

Out of the current Republican field, the only one capable of beating Hillary is Trump. I am not saying he is guaranteed to beat her. He isn't, and it's an uphill battle. But, he certainly has more of a chance than Cruz, who would be worse against Hillary than Romney was against Obama.
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Post by Animavore » Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:43 pm

Interesting views from a Democrat and Republican, each of whom find their (potential) candidates depressing.
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Post by Forty Two » Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:44 pm

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Mr Drumpf swept five states in Tuesday's primaries, bringing him close to securing the Republican nomination against Texas Senator Ted Cruz and Ohio Governor John Kasich.

Mrs Clinton, meanwhile, is now 90% of the way to her party's nomination after four solid victories of her own.

Mr Drumpf, the Republican businessman, pushed forward with his charge that Mrs Clinton is "playing the woman card", telling CNN's New Day that "she does have the woman card" but said that "a lot of women don't like Hillary, despite the card".

Mrs Clinton said during her rally in Philadelphia on Tuesday night that "if fighting for women's health care and paid family leave and equal pay is playing the 'woman card', then deal me in".
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/hi ... 63682.html

Yeah, that's going to get you votes. :roll:
He's right -- while the pundits point out that Trump has a woman problem, with 60+% of women viewing him unfavorably, Clinton's numbers are not good either. She is 56% unfavorable with women -- that's from MSNBC last night after the results came in. So, there is a malleable swing there -- we'll have two candidates that most women don't like.

Women are not a guaranteed voting block. They have their own minds and agency. They aren't going to vote for Hillary because she is a woman. When Trump goes to work on her and how Hillary bragged about getting a pedophile off of molestation charges, and how Hillary viewed the women coming forward to complain of Bill's alleged harassment, rape and dalliances as "bimbo eruptions" and how she helped threaten and silence these women, that will have an impact on some women voters. http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/a-wo ... lary-whoa/

Tripp said: 'His political success was largely dependent upon Hillary. He owed her a great deal. As is widely acknowledged, Hillary took care of all the 'bimbo eruptions' of which there were thousands in order to present to the world an electable candidate. 'In this endeavor she was ruthless. She destroyed women so that their stories never saw the light of day.' Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles ... z472BFuR00
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Trump has a way of forcing the media to talk about stuff. And, it's not that Hillary is responsible for her husband's conduct. It's that she's responsible for her own conduct in cover ups of bimbo eruptions. The "listen and believe" line will be a problem for the Democrats -- are we not to listen and believe women who accuse Hillary of threatening them, silencing them, and such relative to their obviously true allegations of sexual abuse -- why would all those women lie? And, does it really matter? The number of false accusations is so small, that one should always believe the accuser.... :prof:
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Post by Animavore » Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:46 pm

Pepper spray is popular this election.
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Post by Animavore » Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:54 pm

Forty Two wrote:Drumpf has a way of forcing the media to talk about stuff. And, it's not that Hillary is responsible for her husband's conduct. It's that she's responsible for her own conduct in cover ups of bimbo eruptions. The "listen and believe" line will be a problem for the Democrats -- are we not to listen and believe women who accuse Hillary of threatening them, silencing them, and such relative to their obviously true allegations of sexual abuse -- why would all those women lie? And, does it really matter? The number of false accusations is so small, that one should always believe the accuser....
What are you talking about here? I can't find this "listen and believe" line in any of the articles.
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Post by Forty Two » Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:04 pm

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Forty Two wrote:Drumpf has a way of forcing the media to talk about stuff. And, it's not that Hillary is responsible for her husband's conduct. It's that she's responsible for her own conduct in cover ups of bimbo eruptions. The "listen and believe" line will be a problem for the Democrats -- are we not to listen and believe women who accuse Hillary of threatening them, silencing them, and such relative to their obviously true allegations of sexual abuse -- why would all those women lie? And, does it really matter? The number of false accusations is so small, that one should always believe the accuser....
What are you talking about here? I can't find this "listen and believe" line in any of the articles.
You'll find it in relation to allegations of sexual abuse. Listen and believe is what feminists tell us to do when a woman says she was sexually abused. Thus, when women say that Hillary Clinton silenced them and threatened them so that their allegations of sexual abuse by her husband would not be made public. Of course the articles about Hillary Clinton don't say listen and believe - that's because when women accuse a good-guy Democrat of sexual abuse, feminists go off and deal with other things and don't worry about listening and believing those women....but, Trump will have no problem getting these allegations front and center in the discussion. That's the advantage of being a guy who doesn't mind getting his hands dirty.
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Post by Animavore » Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:11 pm

Forty Two wrote:
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Forty Two wrote:Drumpf has a way of forcing the media to talk about stuff. And, it's not that Hillary is responsible for her husband's conduct. It's that she's responsible for her own conduct in cover ups of bimbo eruptions. The "listen and believe" line will be a problem for the Democrats -- are we not to listen and believe women who accuse Hillary of threatening them, silencing them, and such relative to their obviously true allegations of sexual abuse -- why would all those women lie? And, does it really matter? The number of false accusations is so small, that one should always believe the accuser....
What are you talking about here? I can't find this "listen and believe" line in any of the articles.
You'll find it in relation to allegations of sexual abuse. Listen and believe is what feminists tell us to do when a woman says she was sexually abused. Thus, when women say that Hillary Clinton silenced them and threatened them so that their allegations of sexual abuse by her husband would not be made public. Of course the articles about Hillary Clinton don't say listen and believe - that's because when women accuse a good-guy Democrat of sexual abuse, feminists go off and deal with other things and don't worry about listening and believing those women....but, Trump will have no problem getting these allegations front and center in the discussion. That's the advantage of being a guy who doesn't mind getting his hands dirty.
I guess none of these feminists know a guy who has had his life destroyed, emotionally and financially, by a false allegation. Also it flies in the face of everything we're thought to stand for with regards justice, innocent 'til proven guilty etc.

I don't think that view is popular. I think it's just a vocal minority of women who think like that. A few internet, self-righteous types. Most don't take them seriously or are even aware of them in most cases in real life.
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Post by Forty Two » Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:22 pm

They don't care about the guy who has had his life destroyed. Hashtag, Kill All Men. All men are rapists or potential rapists. All men are misogynists. Men are, even if they don't know it, sexists because they directly benefit from the sexist patriarchal system that benefits men and oppresses women. That's modern feminism. Listen and believe - false rape and sexual assault claims are so vanishingly small in number, that to disbelieve an accuser is itself more abuse. She's a survivor, not an accuser. He did it. To ask for proof or details to evaluate an allegation discourages victims from coming forward.

This is standard stuff - you haven't heard these Progressive points before?

The thing is, most people in the American public are unaware of the host of lies and scandals of Hillary Cuntin. When the general election battle gets underway, the press is going to be forced to cover and analyze this stuff. With Trump, and his ability to get his message into the media, the pundits and cable news shows will not be able to sweep these things under the rug like they did in the past. He's shown it in how he's taken down his opponents during the primaries.

We've seen how the media minimize and defend Cuntin and her email scandal. They won't be able to do that with Trump. He will go directly to the people, and he will point the finger at the media and demand to know why they aren't talking about it. And, he will keep on it.

He speaks extemporaneously - no teleprompter, and he has no problem putting on rally after rally after rally, and he goes on talk shows without any problem. I heard Anderson Cooper last night slamming Ted Cruz about this -- Ted was bitching about how CNN and such would not cover him like they cover Trump. Each of the pundits, including Cooper said, that's his own fault, because Trump comes on their shows all the time and subjects himself to question and answer all the time -- they call Cruz, and he doesn't return their calls.

Trump will be on these shows. He will give them ratings. They will want him back. And, when he's on, his message will get out. And, once it's out, it's a story, and they are forced to cover it. Hillary will have to do the same thing, or she won't get the coverage. And, that means she too will have to answer unscripted questions like Trump does. Trump is good at that. Cuntin is not.
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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:06 pm

Forty Two wrote:They don't care about the guy who has had his life destroyed. Hashtag, Kill All Men. All men are rapists or potential rapists. All men are misogynists. Men are, even if they don't know it, sexists because they directly benefit from the sexist patriarchal system that benefits men and oppresses women. That's modern feminism. Listen and believe - false rape and sexual assault claims are so vanishingly small in number, that to disbelieve an accuser is itself more abuse. She's a survivor, not an accuser. He did it. To ask for proof or details to evaluate an allegation discourages victims from coming forward.

This is standard stuff
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Post by JimC » Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:58 pm

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...Those people may stay home...
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Post by Tyrannical » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:09 pm

Trump might have his daughter ivanka perform the first lady duties if he gets elected. It'd be a smart move as ivanka is well liked by pretty much everyone. It's unusal that the wife doesn't do it, but not without precident.
Ivanka has her daddy's brains and none of his nastiness, if they could get a good cop bad cop routine going it could be very effective.

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