New York City is fining people for ignoring pronoun orders.

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Re: New York City is fining people for ignoring pronoun orde

Post by Forty Two » Wed Jun 01, 2016 4:10 pm

L'Emmerdeur wrote:For any who are interested in technical aspects of grammar, and why though the singular "they" may be a bugaboo of grammaticasters, it is in fact acceptable from a grammatical standpoint: "Singular 'they' and the many reasons why it’s correct | Motivated Grammar
It's acceptable to some grammarians. it's in dispute. The language is probably going that way, though, because English lacks a gender neutral pronoun in that situation.
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Re: New York City is fining people for ignoring pronoun orde

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Jun 01, 2016 4:19 pm

English does lack what it doesn't need.
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Re: New York City is fining people for ignoring pronoun orde

Post by Svartalf » Wed Jun 01, 2016 4:23 pm

The perception of need depends on the language, some languages go by fairly well without terms for stuff we regard as basic, whereas English lacks any number of words and notions that an Inuk, an Amazonian Indian, or a Tibetan would take for granted and could not think properly without.
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Re: New York City is fining people for ignoring pronoun orde

Post by laklak » Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:38 pm

Yeah but fuck them. Buncha savages.
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Re: New York City is fining people for ignoring pronoun orde

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Re: New York City is fining people for ignoring pronoun orde

Post by piscator » Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:44 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:English does lack what it doesn't need.

I guess that "U" in neighbor slipped through the cracks of the dynamical programme?

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Re: New York City is fining people for ignoring pronoun orde

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:47 pm

Forty Two wrote:
L'Emmerdeur wrote:For any who are interested in technical aspects of grammar, and why though the singular "they" may be a bugaboo of grammaticasters, it is in fact acceptable from a grammatical standpoint: "Singular 'they' and the many reasons why it’s correct | Motivated Grammar
It's acceptable to some grammarians. it's in dispute. The language is probably going that way, though, because English lacks a gender neutral pronoun in that situation.
Going that way? If you'd bothered to read the article you'd know that the singular "they" has been an accepted usage going back at least to Chaucer in the 15th century. It went "that way" a long, long time ago, and the prim wanna-be prescriptivist nitpickers have no genuine basis for sneering down their noses at this usage.

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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Jun 02, 2016 6:03 am

Interestingly the etymology of "guy" is "grotesquely or poorly dressed person" from 1806. It originally wasn't associated with males. Suck on that, feminazis!!
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Post by rainbow » Thu Jun 02, 2016 8:21 am

laklak wrote:Yeah but fuck them. Buncha savages.
You did that quite a lot in the Colonial Era. Some say it is still going on.
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eRv wrote:I'm off to a guy bar.
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Re: New York City is fining people for ignoring pronoun orde

Post by rachelbean » Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:06 am

L'Emmerdeur wrote:
Forty Two wrote:
L'Emmerdeur wrote:For any who are interested in technical aspects of grammar, and why though the singular "they" may be a bugaboo of grammaticasters, it is in fact acceptable from a grammatical standpoint: "Singular 'they' and the many reasons why it’s correct | Motivated Grammar
It's acceptable to some grammarians. it's in dispute. The language is probably going that way, though, because English lacks a gender neutral pronoun in that situation.
Going that way? If you'd bothered to read the article you'd know that the singular "they" has been an accepted usage going back at least to Chaucer in the 15th century. It went "that way" a long, long time ago, and the prim wanna-be prescriptivist nitpickers have no genuine basis for sneering down their noses at this usage.
Thanks, I was going to post that. I wasn't aware until recently that it's become politicised, but I suppose that is not surprising.
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Post by rainbow » Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:16 am

:clap:
...so if someone wanted to use the common pronoun, why shouldn't they?
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Re: New York City is fining people for ignoring pronoun orde

Post by Scot Dutchy » Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:22 am

Svartalf wrote:The perception of need depends on the language, some languages go by fairly well without terms for stuff we regard as basic, whereas English lacks any number of words and notions that an Inuk, an Amazonian Indian, or a Tibetan would take for granted and could not think properly without.
There are plenty of words in Dutch that are untranslatable in English.
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