Mental illness, social disorders, treatment and recovery

[JimC]

Jonesboy, this is a warning that the following post: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 5#p1071002
is a clear breech of our rules against personal attack. Given that you have already had a reminder, any further such posts will incur an immediate suspension.

[Dries van Tonder]

Something from the World Health Organization:

http://www.who.int/mental_health/manage ... nition/en/

[apophenia]

Bah. Let him spew. No worse punishment than to leave his words up in perpetuity for people to read, laugh, and point at.


(Not to mention, he probably has a well deserved persecution complex. You'll just be feeding his delusion. Any fool can see that a fish out of water like him must be desperate for attention.)

[redunderthebed]

Something from the World Health Organization:

http://www.who.int/mental_health/manage ... nition/en/

ITS ALL AN CONSPIRACY.

(seriously people believe that just ask the scientologist of whom cant get over the fact that the psychiatry considered their founder and his methods tin foil hat stuff.)

Bah. Let him spew. No worse punishment than to leave his words up in perpetuity for people to read, laugh, and point at.


(Not to mention, he probably has a well deserved persecution complex. You'll just be feeding his delusion. Any fool can see that a fish out of water like him must be desperate for attention.)

+1

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Anybody ever feel that they have had a bout of "temporary insanity"? Temporary would be more than one day and less than a month for the purpose of discussion.

[hadespussercats]

Anybody ever feel that they have had a bout of "temporary insanity"? Temporary would be more than one day and less than a month for the purpose of discussion.

Yes. You?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Anybody ever feel that they have had a bout of "temporary insanity"? Temporary would be more than one day and less than a month for the purpose of discussion.

Yes. You?

A few times. Some combat related, once when my wife will killed.

[apophenia]

Anybody ever feel that they have had a bout of "temporary insanity"? Temporary would be more than one day and less than a month for the purpose of discussion.

I'm going to assume you are aiming this survey at those of us who on any given day might be found to be what some would call "sane" — which itself is a legal term, not a medical one. But ignoring the clumsiness, I have gone through periods, lasting from a week to several weeks, in which religious things seemed an order of magnitude more compelling than they usually are to me. I have converted to Buddhism several times, accompanied by a flurry of buying books on Buddhism and adopting Buddhist practice. Then one day, just "poof", that urgency and meaning just disappears, evaporates like it was never there. Being possessed of a mental disorder with an affective component — moods of depression and mania — it's uncannily the same, how it suddenly descends, irresistibly possesses my thought and mind, and then just as mysteriously disappears. There are dimensions of psychology and psychological development that I can't discurse upon due to space and time, but I am becoming convinced that education and family culture is reinforced by classically conditioning children to associate pleasurable feeling states with activation of certain cognitive pathways and cognitions, to condition them to develop a taste and a craving for that feeling, exercised by seeking out experiences which activate those pathways, resulting in the reinforcing emotion states. I wonder, if this model is in any sense accurate, if religious education of children doesn't likewise reinforce the experience of desirable emotion states with cognitions that are essentially religious or apopheniac. (cf. Ramachandran and Capgra's delusion, the God center [misleadingly named], and Robert Burton, "On Being Certain")

[Tero]

I can't rememember anything like that from childhood. It was good behavior and guilt for misdeeds tgat the school pushed to age 12. Then something more intellectual at 14-15. We had no religion at home.

[hadespussercats]

Anybody ever feel that they have had a bout of "temporary insanity"? Temporary would be more than one day and less than a month for the purpose of discussion.

I'm going to assume you are aiming this survey at those of us who on any given day might be found to be what some would call "sane" — which itself is a legal term, not a medical one. But ignoring the clumsiness, I have gone through periods, lasting from a week to several weeks, in which religious things seemed an order of magnitude more compelling than they usually are to me. I have converted to Buddhism several times, accompanied by a flurry of buying books on Buddhism and adopting Buddhist practice. Then one day, just "poof", that urgency and meaning just disappears, evaporates like it was never there. Being possessed of a mental disorder with an affective component — moods of depression and mania — it's uncannily the same, how it suddenly descends, irresistibly possesses my thought and mind, and then just as mysteriously disappears. There are dimensions of psychology and psychological development that I can't discurse upon due to space and time, but I am becoming convinced that education and family culture is reinforced by classically conditioning children to associate pleasurable feeling states with activation of certain cognitive pathways and cognitions, to condition them to develop a taste and a craving for that feeling, exercised by seeking out experiences which activate those pathways, resulting in the reinforcing emotion states. I wonder, if this model is in any sense accurate, if religious education of children doesn't likewise reinforce the experience of desirable emotion states with cognitions that are essentially religious or apopheniac. (cf. Ramachandran and Capgra's delusion, the God center [misleadingly named], and Robert Burton, "On Being Certain")

I'm not sure if this is at all what you're getting at, but when I was young I started becoming aware of a feeling I'd get in my head when exciting or interesting ideas were being discussed, or when I was figuring something out, and making connections. At first, it might feel like my brain was becoming too big for my skull. But then it would become this spinning sensation, inside my brain. The spinning sensation felt thrilling-- it was something that I sought out, in discussions about God, or the universe or physics or literature or psychology or whatever. It was something linked in to my love of learning.

Then, when I started having manic episodes, it felt like I'd re-discovered this feeling, but it was amplified. Not only was I making connections at an ever increasing clip (feeling like the world was linking up and becoming coherent in this intensely beautiful way), but the spinning started to be an experience outside my mind. I felt like my body wanted to spin. I felt like I wanted to balance on the spinning point. I'd walk in circles, and feel like I needed to carry heavy things as ballast if I needed to be able to walk in straight lines.

Strange. But the seeds of it were something I recognized from childhood, as an aspect of my intellectual life.

[Tero]

You people must be intelligent. I had feelings of course, but all I rember before age 10 was dumb. I remember worry, of failing, of being late. The don't do that anymore. They baby Finnish kids in school. Maybe better for the artistic kid.

[Jonesboy]

Here we see cult members in action. Here we see people who take what they read from authority as God-given scripture. Your best defence is to call me a scientologist. Work that dirt. Work that dirt.

Dries, was your reference to depression a sort of Revealing of the Sacred Scrolls? Others here will fall for it. Do you think I will fall for it? I could tear it shreds, effortlessly.

[Jonesboy]

Anybody ever feel that they have had a bout of "temporary insanity"? Temporary would be more than one day and less than a month for the purpose of discussion.

More apologese psycho-fiction.
"Temporary Insanity"? who taught you to call some..thing that? A big authoritative man? fashion? the BBC?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Jonesboy, your mother called. She said you were lame and tame and her biggest shame. She will send your clothes to any address you give if it's at least 1,000 miles from her.

[Jonesboy]

Here we go. Lets make things real. Give me one sentence from the psycho babble literature like DSM IV that points to new knowledge.
Then explain why, in the absence of an example thereof, you think you look cool when you strut the pscho babble wiggle.

Don't perform. Don't adopt the posture. If your experiences unnerve you then shut them away. But don't pose to disown them. It looks pathetic.

Do you realise, atheists all, that you can have no unusual experiences? None are safe. They will destroy you. Get a diagnosis. Feel safe.