response to emerging independent science on the 9/11 attacks

[Trolldor]

structural engineers (me among them)

lol. k.

Did you win a nobel prize too?

[Feck]

Now I'm not sure about this one......But on what floor were these charges placed that were used in the controlled demolition ?
There was no sign of them on any of the video I would have thought that the windows would have blown out if demolition charges were detonated of enough size to blast out the core steel work ? And Thermite would have shown up as a Massive out rush of hot air ,and therefore smoke ?

The towers seemed to collapse from the area damaged by the planes ? Just how would you wire and set charges to do this ?

They spend days in preparation work to drop a building. This was all done in secret with no trace and nobody saw anything ???

[Coito ergo sum]

Now I'm not sure about this one......But on what floor were these charges placed that were used in the controlled demolition ?
There was no sign of them on any of the video I would have thought that the windows would have blown out if demolition charges were detonated of enough size to blast out the core steel work ? And Thermite would have shown up as a Massive out rush of hot air ,and therefore smoke ?

The towers seemed to collapse from the area damaged by the planes ? Just how would you wire and set charges to do this ?

They spend days in preparation work to drop a building. This was all done in secret with no trace and nobody saw anything ???

Pshawww....he doesn't have to come up with his own explanation, he just has to "cast doubt" on the "official version" and then conclude "controlled demolition is the most likely alternative."

[Ian]

I find this thread deeply depressing. Sadly it is colouring the forum too for me.

I personally explained the nature of Rationalia to Galaxian and how it differs from RDF. He does not care. So long as we keep replying to him, he'll stick around.

9/11 is a serious matter. Galaxian's point of view is not. Keep derailing this guy, folks! Let's show him what Ratz can do.

[Bella Fortuna]

I find this thread deeply depressing. Sadly it is colouring the forum too for me.

I personally explained the nature of Rationalia to Galaxian and how it differs from RDF. He does not care. So long as we keep replying to him, he'll stick around.

9/11 is a serious matter. Galaxian's point of view is not. Keep derailing this guy, folks! Let's show him what Ratz can do.

Can't we hook him up with Mandy? Maybe they'll get married and go on their merry ways...

[Hermit]

Yes, 9/11 is worthy of lots of fun & games.

Nobody here makes the deaths of over 3000 people the subject of mirth, fun and games, Galaxian. I strenuously object to your outrageous remark. It is truly disgusting.

What is laughable is the conspiracy theory surrounding it. I place it on par with the moon landing was faked theory, the Martin Briant did not kill 33 people in his mad shooting spree theory, and almost as idiotic as the flat earth theory is today. (In the 1970s the flat earth society still had a membership of about 3000.)

A common property of all of them is that evil governments are said to be responsible for deluding the majority of people in regard to what really happened. Now, I do believe that governments lie and conspire on behalf of very powerful interests wherever and whenever they think they can get away with it, but crediting them with successfully perpetrating such logistically massive deception without someone from inside the conspiracy eventually blabbing is giving them way too much credit for competence.

[Trolldor]

Yes, 9/11 is worthy of lots of fun & games.

What better way to deal with tragedy than through humour? Or would you rather the world wallow in despair with much wailing and gnashing of teeth at the mere thought of it?

[Ian]

Guys, he doesn't get it. He has no idea what forum he's in, and why we don't like him here. Sooner or later he'll take a hint and just go elsewhere.

[Trolldor]

Guys, he doesn't get it. He has no idea what forum he's in, and why we don't like him here. Sooner or later he'll take a hint and just go elsewhere.

Ah, but I get him, and it's quite entertaining.

[Ian]

Guys, he doesn't get it. He has no idea what forum he's in, and why we don't like him here. Sooner or later he'll take a hint and just go elsewhere.

Ah, but I get him, and it's quite entertaining.

Well yeah, there's that.

[Galaxian]

Now I'm not sure about this one......But on what floor were these charges placed that were used in the controlled demolition ?
There was no sign of them on any of the video I would have thought that the windows would have blown out if demolition charges were detonated of enough size to blast out the core steel work ? And Thermite would have shown up as a Massive out rush of hot air ,and therefore smoke ?
The towers seemed to collapse from the area damaged by the planes ? Just how would you wire and set charges to do this ?
They spend days in preparation work to drop a building. This was all done in secret with no trace and nobody saw anything ???

Pshawww....he doesn't have to come up with his own explanation, he just has to "cast doubt" on the "official version" and then conclude "controlled demolition is the most likely alternative."

That's correct: If we see a 'miracle' we don't have to be able to explain how it was done. If we don't know how it was done, we can still assert that it was done by a technology we are unaware of.
Be that as it may. There's lots of analysis showing the squibs from windows as the building began it descent. The squibs are too energetic to be air-pumping expulsion, which would anyway have been directed up through the broken upper floors. The ejecta are just as profuse at initiation as at completion.
If charges were used, they would not have been wired up, they would have been radio controlled.
Yes, the preparation would have taken several weeks at least. But it would NOT have been done in secret. There is substantial witness & documented testimony that it was done in public, though behind closed doors, by credentialed 'maintenance teams'.
There is no reason to assume that team members would break silence. There's lots of devotees who'd even do that for free. For example, examine your role in all this; aren't you perpetuating the official mythology?
In ancient Egypt, it is said that the main designers of security devices in the pyramids (tombs) were put to death at the time of the internment of the pharaoh. Maybe, or maybe not. But the concept is intriguing.
There have been some whistleblowers, but they've been ignored. But the biggest whistleblower is Nature itself: The collapse was contrary to the laws of physics & principles of structural engineering. That's all I need, nothing more.

[Trolldor]

If we see a 'miracle' we don't have to be able to explain how it was done. If we don't know how it was done, we can still assert that it was done by a technology we are unaware of.

Nonsense. If you see a miracle you have to demonstrate that the natural laws of the universe were suspended in your favour. Technology does not create miracles, nor will it ever.

[Feck]

Oh please ! I make one post ,actually just thinking about your version of events and suddenly we are talking about 'tech we are not aware of ' To try and make it fit the observed facts. Why not just say the aliens did it and have done with all logic an sense.


And I have to examine MY role in perpetuating the mythology ?

[Pappa]

Made you look!

[BlackBart]

In ancient Egypt, it is said that the main designers of security devices in the pyramids (tombs) were put to death at the time of the internment of the pharaoh. Maybe, or maybe not. But the concept is intriguing.

No designer of any 'security device' in the pyramids were put to death. Why? Because there weren't any security devices in the first place!! The concept of little green men building the pyramid is also intriguing, but until you have some actual evidence instead of innuendo and dodgy anecdotes , it's going to get laughed at like every other bit of CT wankery.