Coito ergo sum wrote:We have genuine liberals in the US. What we have fewer of than in Yerup are genuine Leftists. Left and liberal are not the same.
This whole "there are no liberals in the US because what the dumb-ass Merkins think is liberal really isn't liberal" meme is extraordinarily tiresome. We have plenty of liberals in the US, and they are no less "liberal" than "liberals" in Europe. What we don't have are Leftists -- we have a dearth of Socialists. Bernie Sanders is a socialist in the House of Representatives. He might be the only one.
I didn't say you didn't have any, I said they would never get elected. Try to keep up.
Of course they can get elected. Obama is liberal. He isn't "center right" on the conservative/liberal spectrum, and he wouldn't be if he was a politician in Europe either. He doesn't advocate conservative policies. Jimmy Carter got elected, and he was liberal. Other very liberal candidates had chances to win, like George McGovern. John Kerry, Walter Mondale, Michael Dukakis -- all could certainly have won. It's plenty possible for liberals to get elected in the US.
There are debates about Bill Clinton. He had many liberal views, but he was more of a pragmatist, which which was why he was such a good President.
About me: Being your slave, what should I do but tend Upon the hours and times of your desire? I have no precious time at all to spend, Nor services to do, till you require.
laklak wrote:I heard from some guy on the internet that somebody knew someone who invented a Star Trek replicator but Big Oil and Micky D's had him assassinated. That could be true, right?
George Jetson only worked a three hour day and all he did was push a button. Yet he still complained. That may well be it. No matter how good we have it, people will still bitch.
What horrible things would people start doing if they could earn a decent living in shorter time and then use the rest at their leisure?
Create more things like like Linux, Wikipedia and Openstreetmap maybe? Extremely scary thought, as those do not accumulate the wealth of the already rich, neither are they controlled by them.
The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool - Richard Feynman
MiM wrote:What horrible things would people start doing if they could earn a decent living in shorter time and then use the rest at their leisure?
Create more things like like Linux, Wikipedia and Openstreetmap maybe? Extremely scary thought, as those do not accumulate the wealth of the already rich, neither are they controlled by them.
That would be excellent. I expect more people would do voluntary work too.
I work 9, sometimes 10, hours a day and I rarely stop for lunch. Luckily for me I like my job a lot. Though, I'd work 3-4 at the drop of a hat if I could.
MiM wrote:What horrible things would people start doing if they could earn a decent living in shorter time and then use the rest at their leisure?
Create more things like like Linux, Wikipedia and Openstreetmap maybe? Extremely scary thought, as those do not accumulate the wealth of the already rich, neither are they controlled by them.
That would be excellent. I expect more people would do voluntary work too.
I work 9, sometimes 10, hours a day and I rarely stop for lunch. Luckily for me I like my job a lot. Though, I'd work 3-4 at the drop of a hat if I could.
What is stopping you?
I remember a Benny Hill episode from back in the day. The joke was that Benny was lazy and unemployed. And, someone asks him why he doesn't get a job. Benny asks, "why would I get a job?" The guy says, "Well, to make money." Benny says, "Why do I need money?" The guy says, "so you can retire and you wouldn't have to work anymore." And Benny delivers the punch line, "But, I'm not working now!"
rEvolutionist wrote:Of course I'm serious. What the fuck are you on about?
What the fuck are you on about copmparing me to seth?
As I don't know where you are, I'll explain it simply.
Most Americans (Several forum members excluded) seem to think that anyone to the left of Genghis Khan considers Karl Marx a right-wing asshole, think "liberal" is a dirty word, and frequently use it as a pejorative.
To anyone from outside the USA, Obama is right-of-centre. (Just not by anywhere near as much as a Republican.) So I consider him moderately right-wing, along with most of Europe.
The mere thought of a genuine liberal (i.e. middle-of-the-road {no, not I35}) being elected in the US is laughable.
Are you with Seth, or are you a genuine Marxist? I'm a (Non-American) liberal (NOTE: Small "l"). All extremists smell the same to me.
Oh.
You were serious.
"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." —Voltaire
"They want to take away your hamburgers. This is what Stalin dreamt about but never achieved." —Sebastian Gorka
I did some desk stuff for half an hour at 7 30. Then I distilled. 10:30 to 11 or so was lunch, since I had to be in a different building 11 to 1. I'll be donecwith work at 3 but I can do a little lab tinkering to 3 30. Plus I have to carry all my equipment back to my lab.
I could not say more in the Pub either. But it was my best day, Tue stuff in lab dud not work.
If you put it in pub I can track 8 hours for work without describing work.
About me: Being your slave, what should I do but tend Upon the hours and times of your desire? I have no precious time at all to spend, Nor services to do, till you require.
Gott in Himmel, is there anything more soul-destroying than working for a corporation? Annual performance appraisals, mandatory sensitivity seminars, the dreaded office Holiday Party. Jesus Christ, I'd rather nail my scrotum to a pine board. Work sucks donkey balls, and that's the truth. But don't fret, eventually you get to retire and eat Kitty Kibbles 6 nights a week. Then you die. It's all good, eh?
laklak wrote:Gott in Himmel, is there anything more soul-destroying than working for a corporation? Annual performance appraisals, mandatory sensitivity seminars, the dreaded office Holiday Party. Jesus Christ, I'd rather nail my scrotum to a pine board. Work sucks donkey balls, and that's the truth. But don't fret, eventually you get to retire and eat Kitty Kibbles 6 nights a week. Then you die. It's all good, eh?
Try working for a state*-funded University, or something similar.
*Works for both a country, or a US state ...
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