The Blinded Public

[JimC]

You forgot 'Obama loving Marxists'

They weren't Marxists.

[pErvinalia]

You forgot 'Obama loving Marxists'

They weren't Marxists.

Everyone is a Marxist, Seth. Except you. :tinfoil:

[Seth]

You forgot 'Obama loving Marxists'

They weren't Marxists.

Everyone is a Marxist, Seth. Except you. :tinfoil:

No, just the Marxists are Marxists, and their Marxist useful idiots.

Don't mistake this tiny little pimple on the ass of the Internet for any sort of reality. In reality there are lots and lots of people who aren't Marxists...just not here.

[pErvinalia]

Yeah, but they are all right-libertarians. Therefore, unless jihadi's are libbos, they must be Marxists or Marxist useful idiots. That's the great thing about your stupid logic. It's simple.

[Seth]

Yeah, but they are all right-libertarians. Therefore, unless jihadi's are libbos, they must be Marxists or Marxist useful idiots. That's the great thing about your stupid logic. It's simple.

Except it ain't my logic, it's yours.

[pErvinalia]

Are you asleep at the keyboard again??

[RESiNATE]

Interesting documentary on BBC2 tonight (26.01.15) which looked at the history of the Magna Carta.
It'll probably be on the iPlayer, so worth looking at - I missed the first 15mins, but the last 10mins kinda talked about the erosion of civil liberties that "the blinded public" are being duped into relinquishing under the guise of security.

[piscator]

Interesting documentary on BBC2 tonight (26.01.15) which looked at the history of the Magna Carta.
It'll probably be on the iPlayer, so worth looking at - I missed the first 15mins, but the last 10mins kinda talked about the erosion of civil liberties that "the blinded public" are being duped into relinquishing under the guise of security.

You're just now noticing this over there? Where were you when they were installing the cameras? Warmly confident that it was the English Way?

[Seth]

Are you asleep at the keyboard again??

Nope, I'm busy refuting your silly strawman arguments, as usual.

[Brian Peacock]

Interesting documentary on BBC2 tonight (26.01.15) which looked at the history of the Magna Carta.
It'll probably be on the iPlayer, so worth looking at - I missed the first 15mins, but the last 10mins kinda talked about the erosion of civil liberties that "the blinded public" are being duped into relinquishing under the guise of security.

Legally the Magna Carta was superceded long before the industrial revolution. The only part that remains is the principle of a trial before your peers, who at the time of its signing were a privileged clique of fractious robber barons unhappy with being subject to the summary justice of the monarch - but who had no problem in welding it on their own behalf within their own domains.

Hmm, perhaps the 'one law for the rich and another for the rest of us' principle hasn't been superceded after all.

[Ian]

Not to suggest that I'm on the side of Big Brother here, but could anyone explain why they think they have any right to privacy from surveillance on Facebook, or on a Web forum like this? These are not private spaces any more than a pub or a park bench. Your email must stay private, like your paper mail, unless there has been just cause established to search it. But when you put something on the internet, it's there for the world to see, whether you like it or not. If you rant to your friends on Facebook or on here about how you'd seriously consider shooting your head of state, why should you be any more surprised when the secret service decide to have a chat with you than if you had muttered the same thing in a corner of a bar or in front of bystanders at a bus stop?

[laklak]

Yep. Be careful what you say. For example, just using certain words can raise red flags. Words like diesel fuel, fertilizer, kitchen timer, ball bearings, Semtex, or jihad can set off alarms. Hold on, there's somebody at the doo

[JimC]

Not to suggest that I'm on the side of Big Brother here, but could anyone explain why they think they have any right to privacy from surveillance on Facebook, or on a Web forum like this? These are not private spaces any more than a pub or a park bench. Your email must stay private, like your paper mail, unless there has been just cause established to search it. But when you put something on the internet, it's there for the world to see, whether you like it or not. If you rant to your friends on Facebook or on here about how you'd seriously consider shooting your head of state, why should you be any more surprised when the secret service decide to have a chat with you than if you had muttered the same thing in a corner of a bar or in front of bystanders at a bus stop?

Fair point. However, for Australians, the phrase "I hate Tony Abbot (our PM), and wish he is eaten by a tiger shark" is so common, that our security services classify it as spam...

[pErvinalia]

Not to suggest that I'm on the side of Big Brother here, but could anyone explain why they think they have any right to privacy from surveillance on Facebook, or on a Web forum like this? These are not private spaces any more than a pub or a park bench. Your email must stay private, like your paper mail, unless there has been just cause established to search it. But when you put something on the internet, it's there for the world to see, whether you like it or not. If you rant to your friends on Facebook or on here about how you'd seriously consider shooting your head of state, why should you be any more surprised when the secret service decide to have a chat with you than if you had muttered the same thing in a corner of a bar or in front of bystanders at a bus stop?

Facebook is supposed to be private within whatever scope you set. If you share only with Friends, then your stuff is only available to you and your friends. If big brother is accessing that, it's bypassing the site's privacy protocols.

You're right, if you say/type something in public, then it is open information. But it's a bit like the idea of surveillance cameras on every corner (like in London). You're in public, so you are technically fair game, but people expect a certain level of privacy from their government. It's not about what's right in a technical/legal sense. It's about what's morally right within the concepts of liberal enlightenment that we all went through over the last 100+ years, supposedly.

[pErvinalia]

Yep. Be careful what you say. For example, just using certain words can raise red flags. Words like diesel fuel, fertilizer, kitchen timer, ball bearings, Semtex, or jihad can set off alarms. Hold on, there's somebody at the doo