Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

[pErvinalia]

[rainbow]

Both of you have drifted off topic. The OP was "Racial Profiling", NOT "Cultural Profiling".

Hello, get used to it.

Meandering threads are part of the quaint, rustic charm of Rationalia...

Bacon.

What about the cheese?
You're ignoring the contribution of cheese.

Cheesist!

[Galaxian]

Why we are searching three year old children and 80 year old ladies instead of Middle-eastern males between 18 and 45 FIRST is beyond me. Political correctness. If the enemy that's trying to destroy your country and kill people can, even generally, be identified by ethnic or cultural clues, then it's only sensible to pay more attention to such people. This doesn't mean all Arabs are terrorists, or that all Arabs should be orifice-checked, it merely means that we should use our resources wisely rather than allocate out of political correctness.

As they say "Out of the mouth of babes..."
You've touched on something that could have led you to deeper truth, but didn't tread down that path. Here; Galaxian will lend a hand.
The reason why searches are done on 3 years old infants & 80 year old grandmas is because the so-called "war on terror" has nothing to do with its proclaimed mission. It is a war on the general population: It is a re-education exercise, a social engineering operation. The constant searches, surveillance cameras, drones, police checkpoints, lock-down of Boston, numerous false flags, some even involving shooting toddlers & children, etc, etc, they are ALL designed to make the population servile & compliant. It is a return to serfdom, but at a more severe level than it existed in the Dark Ages.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYbD6eXcDLE

[Seth]

Why we are searching three year old children and 80 year old ladies instead of Middle-eastern males between 18 and 45 FIRST is beyond me. Political correctness. If the enemy that's trying to destroy your country and kill people can, even generally, be identified by ethnic or cultural clues, then it's only sensible to pay more attention to such people. This doesn't mean all Arabs are terrorists, or that all Arabs should be orifice-checked, it merely means that we should use our resources wisely rather than allocate out of political correctness.

As they say "Out of the mouth of babes..."
You've touched on something that could have led you to deeper truth, but didn't tread down that path. Here; Galaxian will lend a hand.
The reason why searches are done on 3 years old infants & 80 year old grandmas is because the so-called "war on terror" has nothing to do with its proclaimed mission. It is a war on the general population: It is a re-education exercise, a social engineering operation. The constant searches, surveillance cameras, drones, police checkpoints, lock-down of Boston, numerous false flags, some even involving shooting toddlers & children, etc, etc, they are ALL designed to make the population servile & compliant. It is a return to serfdom, but at a more severe level than it existed in the Dark Ages.

I was interested to see whether anyone would broach the Terrorism Theater aspect of Marxist reeducation. Thanks for doing so. You are absolutely, completely right. For example, about 150 perfectly innocent civilians are unlawfully killed by our militarized police in drug raids on the wrong house. These SWAT team members almost never face prosecution when they break into the wrong home and the homeowner, knowing he's an innocent person, responds just as he should when attacked by masked, armed thugs in the wee small hours of the morning...he shoots at them. Then they shoot back, usually killing him. And even if nobody shoots at the SWAT team, they terrorize, quite literally and intentionally, everyone in the house to "gain compliance." They will shoot your dog out of hand and toss flash-bangs into children's bedrooms, all because they were too interested in being warfighters in the "War on Some Drugs" than they are in protecting and serving their employers.

[JimC]

Galaxian wrote:

...The constant searches, surveillance cameras, drones, police checkpoints, lock-down of Boston, numerous false flags, some even involving shooting toddlers & children, etc, etc, they are ALL designed to make the population servile & compliant. It is a return to serfdom, but at a more severe level than it existed in the Dark Ages.

Seth wrote:

I was interested to see whether anyone would broach the Terrorism Theater aspect of Marxist reeducation. Thanks for doing so. You are absolutely, completely right. For example, about 150 perfectly innocent civilians are unlawfully killed by our militarized police in drug raids on the wrong house. These SWAT team members almost never face prosecution when they break into the wrong home and the homeowner, knowing he's an innocent person, responds just as he should when attacked by masked, armed thugs in the wee small hours of the morning...he shoots at them. Then they shoot back, usually killing him. And even if nobody shoots at the SWAT team, they terrorize, quite literally and intentionally, everyone in the house to "gain compliance." They will shoot your dog out of hand and toss flash-bangs into children's bedrooms, all because they were too interested in being warfighters in the "War on Some Drugs" than they are in protecting and serving their employers.

The examples you both quote should certainly be criticised and exposed, but you are both seeing some form of sinister conspiracy when more mundane faults in correct procedure can be ascribed.

And, amusingly, I suspect you are seeing your "grand conspiracy" from opposing political extremes, united only in being irrational at the core...

[Jason]

They're both sensationalizing a bit, but the gist of what they're saying is basically true. America's police have been militarizing for decades, they just really ramped up the process since September 11th, 2001.

[Sean Hayden]

I'm glad to see people bring this up. I was wondering the other day how others might view our police. Militarized is exactly how I thought of it.

[JimC]

I'm glad to see people bring this up. I was wondering the other day how others might view our police. Militarized is exactly how I thought of it.

And if that's the case, it needs to be examined more closely. Is it only in specialised units that may be required in dealing with real acts of terrorism, or is it across the board? Is it causing more harm to the civilian population as a whole, and do civilians have less rights when dealing with police now than in the past?

There may well be some important issues here to be addressed by the US community, but it need not presage the inevitable rise of either a left-wing totalitarian regime, or a fascist dictatorship...

[Jason]

You have to remember that since 9/11 a lot of offenses have been reclassified to fall under the umbrage of 'acts of terrorism' so that almost anything can be responded to with the militarized force authorized to deal with real acts of terrorism.

Pretty clever really.

[JimC]

You have to remember that since 9/11 a lot of offenses have been reclassified to fall under the umbrage of 'acts of terrorism' so that almost anything can be responded to with the militarized force authorized to deal with real acts of terrorism.

Pretty clever really.

It's the "The Sky is Falling" mentality that Galaxian and Seth were implying that I was alluding to, not whether there are or are not some issues of police overreaction and inappropriate conflation of crime and terrorism that might need to be addressed.

[Jason]

I'm not sure what you're driving at then, but I think there are a few good early indicators that something is rotten and this is one of them.

[pErvinalia]

I've got no doubt we are heading for a necessary revolution. It's just a matter of when it happens.

[JimC]

I've got no doubt we are heading for a necessary revolution. It's just a matter of when it happens.

Clearly, when a sufficient number of ardent revolutionaries know to capitalise the E...

[pErvinalia]

[MrJonno]

You have to remember that since 9/11 a lot of offenses have been reclassified to fall under the umbrage of 'acts of terrorism' so that almost anything can be responded to with the militarized force authorized to deal with real acts of terrorism.

Pretty clever really.

It's the "The Sky is Falling" mentality that Galaxian and Seth were implying that I was alluding to, not whether there are or are not some issues of police overreaction and inappropriate conflation of crime and terrorism that might need to be addressed.

If you have a heavily armed population any policeman is going to have to assume there is a chance that any interaction with a member of the public could result in their deaths, overreaction is inevitable .

Pull someone over for speeding, you see the driver hand move faster than you would prefer bang dead motorist