The 'human condition'

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Re: The 'human condition'

Post by Hermit » Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:05 pm

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Rum wrote:What does the phrase 'the human condition' mean to you?
In economics it's described as unlimited desire in the face of limited resources.

We want more than we can ever get.
Why is that the "human" condition? Wouldn't it be true of any species?
What other species is known for wanting more than it can ever get?

No. Wait. Don't bother. I have already read many of your posts. I need a break.
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Re: The 'human condition'

Post by hiyymer » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:15 pm

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hiyymer wrote:
amused wrote:
Rum wrote:What does the phrase 'the human condition' mean to you?
In economics it's described as unlimited desire in the face of limited resources.

We want more than we can ever get.
Why is that the "human" condition? Wouldn't it be true of any species?
What other species is known for wanting more than it can ever get?

No. Wait. Don't bother. I have already read many of your posts. I need a break.
I get your point. Every species lives in the reality of limited resources, but we do have our own take on it.

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Post by amused » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:27 pm

Plus, we can imagine things that we want that don't even exist. And we can want to not die, at least so soon.

Or, as Roy Batty said: I want more life, fucker!

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Post by Ayaan » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:29 pm

To me, the human condition means those shared mental, physical, and emotional needs and our desire for something more and/or better than what we all have. It's both simple and complicated at the same time.
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Post by Tero » Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:17 pm

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Post by JOZeldenrust » Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:13 pm

Seraph wrote:
hiyymer wrote:
amused wrote:
Rum wrote:What does the phrase 'the human condition' mean to you?
In economics it's described as unlimited desire in the face of limited resources.

We want more than we can ever get.
Why is that the "human" condition? Wouldn't it be true of any species?
What other species is known for wanting more than it can ever get?

No. Wait. Don't bother. I have already read many of your posts. I need a break.
Specieist...

Pretty much any species will overindulge if a normally limited and valued resource suddenly becomes abundant.

To me at least it seems apparent that any difference between humans and other species is a difference of degree, not of category.

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Re: The 'human condition'

Post by hiyymer » Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:17 pm

JOZeldenrust wrote:
Seraph wrote:
hiyymer wrote:
amused wrote:
Rum wrote:What does the phrase 'the human condition' mean to you?
In economics it's described as unlimited desire in the face of limited resources.

We want more than we can ever get.
Why is that the "human" condition? Wouldn't it be true of any species?
What other species is known for wanting more than it can ever get?

No. Wait. Don't bother. I have already read many of your posts. I need a break.
Specieist...

Pretty much any species will overindulge if a normally limited and valued resource suddenly becomes abundant.

To me at least it seems apparent that any difference between humans and other species is a difference of degree, not of category.
But the human species can symbolically construct alternatives that don't exist. It's an adaptive strategy that doesn't exist in other species except as latent capacities. We don't adapt to our environment. We create our own. If nature offers it's bounty, other animals will partake because it just is what it is. We will conceive of ways to create our own bounty. Hey if we got torches and drove the antelope over the cliff at night and then smoked the meat, we'd eat like kings all winter. Hey what if the antelope don't come back next year. Hey what if we pray to the antelope God. He what if we try to be better than we are. Etc etc etc.

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Re: The 'human condition'

Post by Feck » Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:34 pm

humins ,The humin condition :roll: what fucking arrogant animals we are the humin condition is the luxury and the brain power to sit around moaning that things are not perfect for our delicate sensibilities .Try running for your life, living in fear and always on the edge of starving then see how much you time you have to philosophise about the the terrible lot human kind has .
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Post by Trolldor » Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:41 pm

Terrible lot? It's precisely our abstract thought that makes it terrible.
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Post by Feck » Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:46 pm

The Mad Hatter wrote:Terrible lot? It's precisely our abstract thought that makes it terrible.
mmm poooooooooooor us .
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Post by Hermit » Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:07 am

Feck wrote:humins ,The humin condition :roll: what fucking arrogant animals we are the humin condition is the luxury and the brain power to sit around moaning that things are not perfect for our delicate sensibilities .Try running for your life, living in fear and always on the edge of starving then see how much you time you have to philosophise about the the terrible lot human kind has .
I suppose that's yet another aspect of the 'human condition'. Well spotted.
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Post by Trolldor » Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:10 am

Speaking of Starving, Running for your life in fear, ever taken a short jaunt to Africa? Or any warzone? Any where you have a corrupt Government hunting down dissidents?
"The fact is that far more crime and child abuse has been committed by zealots in the name of God, Jesus and Mohammed than has ever been committed in the name of Satan. Many people don't like that statement but few can argue with it."

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Post by Feck » Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:15 am

The Mad Hatter wrote:Speaking of Starving, Running for your life in fear, ever taken a short jaunt to Africa? Or any warzone? Any where you have a corrupt Government hunting down dissidents?

My point .
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Re: The 'human condition'

Post by Trolldor » Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:18 am

No, not your point at all.
If it were your point you would have understood the importance of those being capable of voicing themselves drawing attention to those state of affairs.
"The fact is that far more crime and child abuse has been committed by zealots in the name of God, Jesus and Mohammed than has ever been committed in the name of Satan. Many people don't like that statement but few can argue with it."

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Re: The 'human condition'

Post by Feck » Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:43 am

If you life is that fucking bad , if you don't actually think you will survive one more year if Having a baby Every year means maybe one will survive you if you are lucky ,If you have n't learnt to write and couldn't afford paper or a pencil anyway then you probably are not talking about the "Human condition" much .
The whole fucking concept is fucked up and wrapped in humanist (we used to think god loved us but now we think we are special all on our own ) gobshite .


so THAT is the human condition talking about how bad it is? ...... do you want to swap with a Rabbit or a mouse ? then you would be free from that terrible millstone the human condition. do you think pain is only valid if you can express it ? Call it the mortal condition then at least you accept that it's common to all life but the Human condition Don't make me laugh .
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