Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

Post by JimC » Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:58 am

RiverF wrote:
JimC wrote:Our races are not unimportant
Can you elaborate on this please, Jim?
Only in the sense that they have a genetic basis; to pretend otherwise is ignoring the evidence.

However, it is minor, and confined to minor morphological details, and is in no way the basis for any discriminatory practices...
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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

Post by Tyrannical » Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:07 am

JimC wrote:
RiverF wrote:
JimC wrote:Our races are not unimportant
Can you elaborate on this please, Jim?
Only in the sense that they have a genetic basis; to pretend otherwise is ignoring the evidence.

However, it is minor, and confined to minor morphological details, and is in no way the basis for any discriminatory practices...
It is not confined to minor morphological details, but also encompasses behavior and intelligence.
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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:56 am

RiverF wrote:
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JimC wrote:Our races are not unimportant
Can you elaborate on this please, Jim?
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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

Post by NineBerry » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:27 pm

The race of BNP voters is specifically known for their low intelligence and tendency for aggressive behaviour.

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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

Post by Svartalf » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:29 pm

izzat an actual race or just a breed?
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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

Post by NineBerry » Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:37 pm

Must be a real race. I can reliably spot (and smell) them from a mile away.

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Post by pinkharrier » Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:43 pm

RiverF said " The genetic susceptibility to certain disease you mention can also be applied to having brown hair or pale skin or heterochromia iridis, and all sorts of other variations."

Well if you believe in deconstructing race, you may as well deconstruct hair colour etc as well.

Gee Nineberry, your wit matches your intellect. Some more please!

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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

Post by rainbow » Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:50 am

NineBerry wrote:Must be a real race. I can reliably spot (and smell) them from a mile away.
As valid as any of the other definitions used by racists.
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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

Post by pinkharrier » Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:24 am

So Rainbow and NB are you saying that there are no varieties of humans in the sense that Darwin used that term?

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Post by Faithfree » Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:09 pm

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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

Post by Galaxian » Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:14 pm

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Făkünamę wrote:There is no genetic reproductive barrier. If there was we'd have separate species instead of subspecies. Why do I have to keep saying this?
@Nineberry That's nice, but hardly qualifies as significant on the scale of the populations.
Please post a comprehensive list of current human subspecies. TIA.
Here's a fairly comprehensive one:
http://www.racialcompact.com/racesofhumanity.html
Outline of Human Racial/Subspecies Classification:
SUB-SAHARAN AFRICA GROUP
I. Capoid or Khoisanid Subspecies of southern Africa
A. Khoid (Hottentot) race
B. Sanid (Bushmen) race
II. Congoid Subspecies of sub-Saharan Africa
A. Central Congoid race (Geographic center and origin in the Congo river basin)
1. Palaecongoid subrace (the Congo river basin: Ivory Coast, Ghana, Nigeria, Cameroon, Congo, Angola)
2. Sudanid subrace (western Africa: Niger, Mali, Senegal, Guinea)
3. Nilotid subrace (southern Sudan; the ancient Nubians were of this subrace)
4. Kafrid or Bantid subrace (east and south Africa: Kenya, Tanzania, Mozambique, Natal)
B. Bambutid race (African Pygmies)
C. Aethiopid race (Ethiopia, Somalia; hybridized with Caucasoids)

"OUT-OF-AFRICA" GROUP
I. Australoid Subspecies
A. Veddoid race (remnant Australoid population in central and southern India)
B. Negritos (remnants in Malaysia and the Philippines)
C. Melanesian race (New Guinea, Papua, Solomon Islands)
D. Australian-Tasmanian race (Australian Aborigines)
II. Mongoloid Subspecies
A. Northern Mongoloid racial group
1. Northeast Asian race (various subraces in northern China, Manchuria, Korea and Japan)
2. Ainuid race (remnants of aboriginal population in northern Japan)
3. Tungid race (Mongolia and Siberia, Eskimos)
4. Amerindian race (American Indians; various subraces)
B. Southern Mongoloid racial group
1. Southeast Asian race (various subraces in southern China, Indochina, Thailand, Myanmar [Burma], Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines, the last four
partly hybridized with Australoids)
2. Micronesian-Polynesian race (predominantly Southern Mongoloid partly hybridized with Australoids)
III. Caucasoid or Europid Subspecies
A. Dravidic race (India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka [Ceylon]; ancient stabilized Indic-Veddoid [Australoid] blend)
B. Turanid race (partially hybridized with Mongoloids; predominant element in Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan; common in Hungary and Turkey)
C. Indic or Nordindid race (Pakistan and northern India)
D. Irano-Afghan race (predominant in Iran and Afghanistan, primary element in Iraq, common [25%] in Turkey)
E. Armenid race (predominant element in Armenia and Azerbaijan, common in Syria, Lebanon and northern Iraq, primary element among the Ashkenazic
Jews)
F. Mediterranid racial group
1. Orientalid or Arabid subrace (predominant in Arabia, major element from Egypt to Syria, primary in northern Sudan, important in Iraq, predominant
element among the Oriental Jews)
2. South Mediterranean or Saharid subrace (predominant in Algeria and Libya, important in Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt, primary element among the
Sephardic Jews, common element [circa 20-25%] in Spain, Sicily and southern Italy, minor element [circa 5%] in Greece)
3. East Mediterranean or Pontid subrace (Black Sea coast of Ukraine, Romania and Bulgaria; Aegean coasts of Greece and Turkey)
4. Dinaricized Mediterraneans (Residual mixed types resulting from the blending of Mediterranids with Dinarics, Alpines or Armenids; not a unified type,
has much regional variation; predominant element [over 60%] in Sicily and southern Italy, principal element in Turkey [35%], important element in
western Syria, Lebanon and central Italy, common in northern Italy. The ancient Cappadocian Mediterranean subrace of Anatolia was dinaricized
perhaps as early as the Neolitihic and is a major contributor to this type in modern Turkey.)
5. West Mediterranean or Iberid subrace (Spain, Portugal, Corsica, Sardinia, and coastal areas of Morocco and Tunisia; the Atlanto-Mediterranean peoples
who expanded over much of the Atlantic coastal regions of Europe during the Mesolithic period were a branch of this subrace)
G. Ladogan race (named after Lake Ladoga; indigenous to Russia; includes Lappish subrace of arctic Europe)
H. Dinaric race (predominant in western Balkans [Dinaric Mountains] and northern Italy, important in the Czech Republic, eastern and southern Switzerland,
western Austria and eastern Ukraine. Its distribution in Europe, and that of its derived Dinaricized Mediterranean type, may be associated with the
expansion of the Neolithic Anatolian farmers beginning circa 6,500 B.C.)
I. Alpine race (predominant element in Luxembourg, primary in Bavaria and the Czech Republic [Bohemia], important in France, Hungary, eastern and
southern Switzerland)
J. Nordish or Northern European racial group (various subraces in the British Isles, Scandinavia, the Netherlands and Belgium; predominant element in
Germany, Switzerland, Poland, Finland and the Baltic States; majority in Austria and Russia; important in France, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and
Hungary; outlined in detail in The Nordish Race)

Dominant or predominant = over 60% majority
Majority or major = 50-60% majority
Principal or primary = 25-49% plurality; less than a majority, but most numerous racial type
Important = 25-49% minority; not most numerous racial type
Common = 6-25% minority
Minor = 5% or less minority
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Here's the genetic distance between them. Both following tables from Masatoshi Nei and Arun K. Roychoudhury from Evolutionary Relationships of Human Populations on a Global Scale (1993):
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Here's a more concise & easier to read genetic distance table:
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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

Post by pinkharrier » Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:41 am

Devo reminds me of those that ridiculed Darwin. The same style, with a feeling that he is hoping his like minded friends are watching and laughing along with him. He should be happy because, no doubt, they are.

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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

Post by Seth » Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:44 am

I don't think there is really much scientific doubt that humans are divided into subspecies, one aspect of which is called "race."

The real question is whether or not there are genetically-based behaviors inherent in particular human subspecies that would justify "racial profiling," the general definition of which is assigning behavioral patterns to individuals based on their genetic group characteristics.

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