Free will?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Sorry, but we can kill 99.9999% of life on Earth if we go nuts with those things. That's a "contribution" whether you like it or not.

Look at my avatar. What did you expect me to say? Who the fuck is watching the show?

I'm not vivocentric. Lichens eat rocks. Who will stand up for the rocks?

Rocks erode. Abolish the Second Law of Thermodynamics!

Okay, you win.

[Surendra Darathy]

Sorry, but we can kill 99.9999% of life on Earth if we go nuts with those things. That's a "contribution" whether you like it or not.

Look at my avatar. What did you expect me to say? Who the fuck is watching the show?

I'm not vivocentric. Lichens eat rocks. Who will stand up for the rocks?

Rocks erode. Abolish the Second Law of Thermodynamics!

Okay, you win.

It's not about me. Not even a sense of perspective "wins".

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Sorry, but we can kill 99.9999% of life on Earth if we go nuts with those things. That's a "contribution" whether you like it or not.

Look at my avatar. What did you expect me to say? Who the fuck is watching the show?

I'm not vivocentric. Lichens eat rocks. Who will stand up for the rocks?

Rocks erode. Abolish the Second Law of Thermodynamics!

Okay, you win.

It's not about me. Not even a sense of perspective "wins".

I'm beginning to understand how you relate so effectively with rocks.

[Surendra Darathy]

It's not about me. Not even a sense of perspective "wins".

I'm beginning to understand how you relate so effectively with rocks.

I'm childless, Gawdzilla. That doesn't mean I'm doing everything in my power to bring about the apocalypse, such as the folks who drive Hummers. I just don't think the rest of the world owes anyone else's kids a living.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

It's not about me. Not even a sense of perspective "wins".

I'm beginning to understand how you relate so effectively with rocks.

I'm childless, Gawdzilla. That doesn't mean I'm doing everything in my power to bring about the apocalypse, such as the folks who drive Hummers. I just don't think the rest of the world owes anyone else's kids a living.

I don't know of any children either. I also don't think anybody particularly "deserves" to be alive. But I do think humans can screw up this planet for everything else that is alive. And I AM vivocentric. Dead rocks are dead, and are simply inert matter. I have no sympathy for such.

[Surendra Darathy]

I do think humans can screw up this planet for everything else that is alive.

Yes, but do you see anything unnatural about that?

The entire wibble about "free will" is about whether "human intention" can lead somplace definite.

A sense of responsibility is entirely different from a capacity of control.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I do think humans can screw up this planet for everything else that is alive.

Yes, but do you see anything unnatural about that?

The entire wibble about "free will" is about whether "human intention" can lead somplace definite.

A sense of responsibility is entirely different from a capacity of control.

Let's see. Humans denature the planet. Is that natural? I think not.

[Surendra Darathy]

I do think humans can screw up this planet for everything else that is alive.

Yes, but do you see anything unnatural about that?

The entire wibble about "free will" is about whether "human intention" can lead somplace definite.

A sense of responsibility is entirely different from a capacity of control.

Let's see. Humans denature the planet. Is that natural? I think not.

Really? If you're a determinist, YMMV.

Wipe out the bacteria! Finally, a clean-room that is really-o, truly-o clean! Ah, never mind. There might once have been bacteria on Mars. Fat lot of good it did them, if there were. I think Mars is a natural wonderland.

What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I do think humans can screw up this planet for everything else that is alive.

Yes, but do you see anything unnatural about that?

The entire wibble about "free will" is about whether "human intention" can lead somplace definite.

A sense of responsibility is entirely different from a capacity of control.

Let's see. Humans denature the planet. Is that natural? I think not.

Really? If you're a determinist, YMMV.

Wipe out the bacteria! Finally, a clean-room that is really-o, truly-o clean! Ah, never mind. There might once have been bacteria on Mars. Fat lot of good it did them, if there were. I think Mars is a natural wonderland.

What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.

I missed the announcement about there being no life on Mars. Got a linky?

[Surendra Darathy]

I do think humans can screw up this planet for everything else that is alive.

Yes, but do you see anything unnatural about that?

The entire wibble about "free will" is about whether "human intention" can lead somplace definite.

A sense of responsibility is entirely different from a capacity of control.

Let's see. Humans denature the planet. Is that natural? I think not.

Really? If you're a determinist, YMMV.

Wipe out the bacteria! Finally, a clean-room that is really-o, truly-o clean! Ah, never mind. There might once have been bacteria on Mars. Fat lot of good it did them, if there were. I think Mars is a natural wonderland.

What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.

I missed the announcement about there being no life on Mars. Got a linky?

Well, yes, you have a point there. Unless we look under every single rock, we won't be sure, will we? I came here to wibble about free will, not about induction.

[FBM]

Free will...

Seems that it would only be possible to have it if you were able to choose your thoughts before you had them.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I missed the announcement about there being no life on Mars. Got a linky?

Well, yes, you have a point there. Unless we look under every single rock, we won't be sure, will we? I came here to wibble about free will, not about induction.

I think we need to some testing before we discount the idea, don't you? After all, on Mars they wouldn't be termed extremeophiles, would they?

[Surendra Darathy]

I missed the announcement about there being no life on Mars. Got a linky?

Well, yes, you have a point there. Unless we look under every single rock, we won't be sure, will we? I came here to wibble about free will, not about induction.

I think we need to some testing before we discount the idea, don't you? After all, on Mars they wouldn't be termed extremeophiles, would they?

I was being flippant. I certainly do not oppose research into searching for life on other planets. I don't think we will see confirmation of it in my lifetime. Perhaps in yours.

I don't think there is anything that will get god-botherers to STFU. Human biology has a natural tendency toward woo, and as we have seen, even strong aversion to facing certain facts about ourselves. That's why the free-will debate will never settle down.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I missed the announcement about there being no life on Mars. Got a linky?

Well, yes, you have a point there. Unless we look under every single rock, we won't be sure, will we? I came here to wibble about free will, not about induction.

I think we need to some testing before we discount the idea, don't you? After all, on Mars they wouldn't be termed extremeophiles, would they?

I was being flippant. I certainly do not oppose research into searching for life on other planets. I don't think we will see confirmation of it in my lifetime. Perhaps in yours.

Harry S. Truman was President when I was born.

I don't think there is anything that will get god-botherers to STFU. Human biology has a natural tendency toward woo, and as we have seen, even strong aversion to facing certain facts about ourselves. That's why the free-will debate will never settle down.

True. However, I have my own take on "Free will". People will do what pleases the most or hurts the least whenever they have a choice. The only real variation on that is how they decide what pleases most or hurts least.

[FBM]

Free will...

Seems that it would only be possible to have it if you were able to choose your thoughts before you had them.

I wasn't being flippant when I wrote the above.