A Sort of Stalin

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Re: A Sort of Stalin

Post by Rum » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:51 am

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SteveB wrote:I admit I've only read like 10 of his posts. :pardon:
I have him set to 'foe' but make the mistake of opening his posts rather too often.
I've never foed or blocked a soul who I've gotten to know on the Internet nor has anyone done so to me until recently (at least that I know of). It's just my optimistic naivete shining through. Maybe when I get older, but right now my bullshit tolerance is really high.
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Re: A Sort of Stalin

Post by cronus » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:22 am

Yes, but say I became like so powerful I was like that Stalin Rum? Isn't it a mistake to make a foe when you don't need to? I might be bored with smoking JW's one day and suddenly recall my struggle here on this forum. :coffee:
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Re: A Sort of Stalin

Post by SteveB » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:29 am

Scrumple wrote:Yes, but say I became like so powerful I was like that Stalin Rum? Isn't it a mistake to make a foe when you don't need to? I might be bored with smoking JW's one day and suddenly recall my struggle here on this forum. :coffee:
You have a lot of material to work with here with regards to the forum. You just gotta work harder. :read:
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Re: A Sort of Stalin

Post by cronus » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:42 am

SteveB wrote:
Scrumple wrote:Yes, but say I became like so powerful I was like that Stalin Rum? Isn't it a mistake to make a foe when you don't need to? I might be bored with smoking JW's one day and suddenly recall my struggle here on this forum. :coffee:
You have a lot of material to work with here with regards to the forum. You just gotta work harder. :read:
I know. It is difficult. I feel like Morpheous. I've only got green pills though. :dunno:

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Re: A Sort of Stalin

Post by Audley Strange » Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:12 pm

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Audley Strange wrote:Creation of a messiah figure is religious. Not believing in Jehovah does not make you my ally, all who would will to rule should be executed.
That was a metaphor...I'm sure nasty alpha males predate religion. :pop:
So in short you are asking would you vote for a brutal dictator rather than not.

Stupid fucking question.
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Re: A Sort of Stalin

Post by cronus » Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:20 pm

Audley Strange wrote:
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Audley Strange wrote:Creation of a messiah figure is religious. Not believing in Jehovah does not make you my ally, all who would will to rule should be executed.
That was a metaphor...I'm sure nasty alpha males predate religion. :pop:
So in short you are asking would you vote for a brutal dictator rather than not.

Stupid fucking question.
In certain circumstances, say food was really scarce on the shelves for instance(and crime/rioting was all out of hand). Wouldn't you want someone with a heavy boot to instill order, at least enough to avoid being mugged and have some respectful order in the food line? :coffee:
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Re: A Sort of Stalin

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:43 pm

Rum wrote:That's how Hitler came to power. I sort of guessed Crumple would follow the herd if it ever came to a choice like that.
Actually, Hitler came to power because von Papen promised von Hindenburg he could control "the little corporal". He was to be merely the means of getting a government together. The Nazis only had about 15% of the seats in the Reichstag at that time.
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Re: A Sort of Stalin

Post by Audley Strange » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:04 pm

Scrumple wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:
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Audley Strange wrote:Creation of a messiah figure is religious. Not believing in Jehovah does not make you my ally, all who would will to rule should be executed.
That was a metaphor...I'm sure nasty alpha males predate religion. :pop:
So in short you are asking would you vote for a brutal dictator rather than not.

Stupid fucking question.
In certain circumstances, say food was really scarce on the shelves for instance(and crime/rioting was all out of hand). Wouldn't you want someone with a heavy boot to instill order, at least enough to avoid being mugged and have some respectful order in the food line? :coffee:
I don't see why you automatically assume such a crisis has to necessitate a negative reaction that would result in the need for a tyrant though. Unless you are talking about total political and economic collapse at which point I'd be more concerned with moving than voting for some hard-on with a Dirty Harry fetish.
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Re: A Sort of Stalin

Post by Tyrannical » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:19 pm

Stalin wouldn't be my choice if you were worried about food shortages.

But the classical Greek ideal was to grant dictatorial powers in time of war to a man of noble character, who would then relinquish power when the war was over.
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Re: A Sort of Stalin

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:25 pm

Tyrannical wrote:Stalin wouldn't be my choice if you were worried about food shortages.

But the classical Greek ideal was to grant dictatorial powers in time of war to a man of noble character, who would then relinquish power when the war was over.
The Romans did that too, and they got Ceasar.
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Re: A Sort of Stalin

Post by cronus » Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:26 pm

What about me? How many here would leave their country if I was in charge. I'd only do what was necessary to bring the human population down to a reasonable level - and target the religious as a intelligence sorter. :coffee:
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Re: A Sort of Stalin

Post by Rum » Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:30 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Rum wrote:That's how Hitler came to power. I sort of guessed Crumple would follow the herd if it ever came to a choice like that.
Actually, Hitler came to power because von Papen promised von Hindenburg he could control "the little corporal". He was to be merely the means of getting a government together. The Nazis only had about 15% of the seats in the Reichstag at that time.
Yes I do actually know that but it would have been rather less cutting. :roll:

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Re: A Sort of Stalin

Post by cronus » Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:51 pm

Hitler had drive though. For all his faults he knew what he wanted and got it. Now you can argue he was evil but the fact is Germany today is far more prosperous than the UK or France and part of this is down to Hitlers legacy of a mostly homogeneous people, a few Turks excepted, who work industriously together as a single entity....compare modern Germany with the picking turnips nations of multiculturalism? :dunno:
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Re: A Sort of Stalin

Post by Audley Strange » Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:29 pm

Scrumple wrote:What about me? How many here would leave their country if I was in charge. I'd only do what was necessary to bring the human population down to a reasonable level - and target the religious as a intelligence sorter. :coffee:
The people most interested in population reduction should lead by example.
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Re: A Sort of Stalin

Post by Seth » Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:36 pm

Audley Strange wrote:Creation of a messiah figure is religious. Not believing in Jehovah does not make you my ally, all who would will to rule should be executed.
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