Genocide to Save Modernity. Can it be Justified?

[cronus]

I guess a holodeck in every home allowing all manner of dramas rather than a mud hut with a witchdoctor one channel future should do it for most, does for me. Consider the pron channels of the future?

So, genocide in the name of self-indulgence. Gotcha.

I guess it might appear like that and saving the washing machine may appeal to the more feminine side of modernity? the point is can we afford a second dark ages? hear & now - a small moral regress may save a immense technological leap forwards, later once people are back in the superstitions of medieval or earlier times thought it may be too late to recover our hard won advantage. The amount of climate change induced chaos looming may mean this is the only chance, the only window in historic time, where there is the possibility to break free of the animal within and ascend to the stars. Can we afford to let a few millions of pesky ignorant religious types thwart the future, the billions who could be born and won't be in a religious dark age?

[Tyrannical]

Say you have a culture which is easily identified, a subgroup with a medieval mindset, who are seeking ways to subvert secular institutions and trying to indoctrinate the next generation in fallacious backwards ideas like creation over evolution but willing to go much further. Representing a clear threat to the whole idea of modernity. A present danger to the scientific and engineering foundations of human progress since the industrial revolution. And it is possible to identify this group, and this group is held in a diminishing light by the populace like they are Roman Catholics or Muslims or something else. Would you feel it a duty as a secular rationalist to discriminate, to even push for those ideas and policies which are the monster of a former time unleashed? And then either look the other way or operate as part of a prejudicial whispering campaign so they are pitchforked by the mob on the day the money runs scarce? The day these religious types are waiting for with their own agenda, by the way....

Sounds like your talking about bleeding heart liberals, and their uncivilized "pets". Medieval mindset is a little generous considering stone age is more accurate.
Genocide is probably overkill ( ), deportation back to their third world shithole with their bleeding heart liberal enablers is the cure.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Scrumple, I should copy a short story called "Forgetfulness" and send it to you.

[Audley Strange]

Modernity as defined by whom?
Justified by whom?

Do genocides need to be justified?

[Robert_S]

Would modernity be able to survive what it would take to get society behind a genocide? I kinda sorta doubt it.

Some people. it seems, would prefer being the righteous victims of genocide over having their sacred cows laughed at. I don't think that's any reason to oblige them though.

[cronus]

A means to a end. All for the greater good. Didn't Germany lose it's modernity? it's identity? and become a backwards a nation after the war? Face facts? The world isn't just or nice deep down. It is a moral lie of the weak, a shallow cowardice of the intellect, to think that some lame goodness must triumph by all means, even your suicide. And if you want something, some ideal of the future for instance, you must fight for it and defend it against those who would thwart it. A small evil now or eternal darkness later. If it appears a heavy weight to shoulder contemplating genocide then consider those trillions who could live in future space-cities. And whose lives depend on this critical generation of atheist/secular rationalists.

[Tyrannical]

Would modernity be able to survive what it would take to get society behind a genocide? I kinda sorta doubt it.

Some people. it seems, would prefer being the righteous victims of genocide over having their sacred cows laughed at. I don't think that's any reason to oblige them though.

I think you underestimate the innate savageness of your fellow man

The Germans, Russians, and Chinese oversaw three of the biggest mass genocides in history and their modernity survived. Colonial Europe had no problem genociding or enslaving inferior groups and they were the most modern of societies.

[Audley Strange]

A means to a end. All for the greater good. Didn't Germany lose it's modernity? it's identity? and become a backwards a nation after the war? Face facts? The world isn't just or nice deep down. It is a moral lie of the weak, a shallow cowardice of the intellect, to think that some lame goodness must triumph by all means, even your suicide. And if you want something, some ideal of the future for instance, you must fight for it and defend it against those who would thwart it. A small evil now or eternal darkness later. If it appears a heavy weight to shoulder contemplating genocide then consider those trillions who could live in future space-cities. And whose lives depend on this critical generation of atheist/secular rationalists.

I think I may have said rather glibly here, that if it came to me living on a cleaner quieter world, I wouldn't bat an eye if we lost, say, China. However the fallout of technologies of necessity during cataclysm and war seem to me something you cannot design. The brutality and the body count are not the issue, the consideration that by somehow bulldozing villages into industrial furnaces we can have a specific outcome is just utterly stupid.

[Svartalf]

It's self defence... either we save ourselves, or they'll get us and send us back to the dark ages... really a no brainer .

[Svartalf]

Modernity as defined by whom?
Justified by whom?

Do genocides need to be justified?

all actions that go against common morality need SOME justification/rationalization.

[Jason]

Would modernity be able to survive what it would take to get society behind a genocide? I kinda sorta doubt it.

Some people. it seems, would prefer being the righteous victims of genocide over having their sacred cows laughed at. I don't think that's any reason to oblige them though.

Israel/Palestine.

[Jason]

It's self defence... either we save ourselves, or they'll get us and send us back to the dark ages... really a no brainer .

Survival is not synonymous with 'modernity' (fucking ambiguous term as many have noted).

Holodecks instead of mud huts? Who's to say someone in a mud hut who knows nothing beyond spears, fire, and fucking isn't just as happy? Arguing people happier by the level of sophisticated toys they have is a difficult argument to mount.

You may argue the erasure of modern medicine would bring strife and suffering and lower quality of life. Perhaps you'd have a point. I'm undecided. The more we remove ourselves from environmental pressures governing evolution the more we secure our genetic base on its plateau and evolve our intellectual base. Is this a good thing for the species? Would we, as species, if exposed to the threats medicine shields us from, evolve to overcome them and so 'improve'? Who can say? We would certainly change. Who's to say 'modernity' is a good thing for the species? Perhaps a return to the stone age would do us good.

[laklak]

According to a FB friend of Mrs. Lak's, on the 21st the planet (and the more evolved humans) will be moving from Vibrational Level 3 to Vibrational Level 4. Those who remain on Vibrational Level 3 will be transported to a new planet. That should certainly solve some problems, I intend to be on the first transport in order to stake out 40 acres of beachfront. And I want a mule.

[Robert_S]

According to a FB friend of Mrs. Lak's, on the 21st the planet (and the more evolved humans) will be moving from Vibrational Level 3 to Vibrational Level 4. Those who remain on Vibrational Level 3 will be transported to a new planet. That should certainly solve some problems, I intend to be on the first transport in order to stake out 40 acres of beachfront. And I want a mule.

What is it with certain ladies and their obsession with vibration levels...

[laklak]

Vibration Factor 8, Mr. Laforge. Engage.