Moral Crimes ??

[Atheist-Lite]

Anyone want to define "moral"?

I generally use God as the standard, what God loves is moral, and what God abhors is immoral.

God is dead. Have you heard him say anything lively lately?

[Brian Peacock]

Anyone want to define "moral"?

I generally use God as the standard, what God loves is moral, and what God abhors is immoral.

I think Crumpy means moral in the general sense of good stuff. If good stuff is always and only whatever god loves than if god loves lying lying is good stuff. However, most reasonable people don't see lying as good stuff. If god changes his mind then what was good stuff yesterday might not be good stuff tomorrow, e.g. a god-sanctioned random killing of six year old boys might be good stuff today and bad stuff tomorrow, where most reasonable people would simply not accept that bad stuff is good just because god is reported to love it. And besides, if we're going to address what is or isn't, or what might or might not be, moral about actions but which are considered criminal in law then this can only be done on a case by case basis and so we have no need of definitive list of god-authorised loving acts - and we can apply the same reasoning to God's law and religious strictures as we can to criminal law. God can sit this one out, as usual.

[Tyrannical]

Anyone want to define "moral"?

I generally use God as the standard, what God loves is moral, and what God abhors is immoral.

I think Crumpy means moral in the general sense of good stuff. If good stuff is always and only whatever god loves than if god loves lying lying is good stuff. However, most reasonable people don't see lying as good stuff. If god changes his mind then what was good stuff yesterday might not be good stuff tomorrow, e.g. a god-sanctioned random killing of six year old boys might be good stuff today and bad stuff tomorrow, where most reasonable people would simply not accept that bad stuff is good just because god is reported to love it. And besides, if we're going to address what is or isn't, or what might or might not be, moral about actions but which are considered criminal in law then this can only be done on a case by case basis and so we have no need of definitive list of god-authorised loving acts - and we can apply the same reasoning to God's law and religious strictures as we can to criminal law. God can sit this one out, as usual.

I don't remember God decreeing randomly killing six year olds

[Hermit]

Anyone want to define "moral"?

I generally use God as the standard, what God loves is moral, and what God abhors is immoral.

I think Crumpy means moral in the general sense of good stuff. If good stuff is always and only whatever god loves than if god loves lying lying is good stuff. However, most reasonable people don't see lying as good stuff. If god changes his mind then what was good stuff yesterday might not be good stuff tomorrow, e.g. a god-sanctioned random killing of six year old boys might be good stuff today and bad stuff tomorrow, where most reasonable people would simply not accept that bad stuff is good just because god is reported to love it. And besides, if we're going to address what is or isn't, or what might or might not be, moral about actions but which are considered criminal in law then this can only be done on a case by case basis and so we have no need of definitive list of god-authorised loving acts - and we can apply the same reasoning to God's law and religious strictures as we can to criminal law. God can sit this one out, as usual.

Besides that, the morals of which God? The God of the old testament? The God of the new? Allah? Kali? Your own household god?

Mh, I think Tranny is pulling our legs.

[Tyrannical]

Tranny is NOT a proper abbreviation of my name. Tyr is the ironic though acceptable alternative.

[Hermit]

Tranny is NOT a proper abbreviation of my name. Tyr is the ironic though acceptable alternative.

Think of it as poetic licence.

Anyway, which god do you have in mind, and why?

[Svartalf]

Tranny is NOT a proper abbreviation of my name. Tyr is the ironic though acceptable alternative.

Looks like your ankles are so swollen you can go through doors only sideways... which is Ironic since Tyr's name is prounounced the same as the german word for a door (leading me to wonder if he was a god of doorways as well as war, as well as the former leader of the Aesir, before the Sorcerer King's worshippers won out)

[Tyrannical]

Tranny is NOT a proper abbreviation of my name. Tyr is the ironic though acceptable alternative.

Looks like your ankles are so swollen you can go through doors only sideways... which is Ironic since Tyr's name is prounounced the same as the german word for a door (leading me to wonder if he was a god of doorways as well as war, as well as the former leader of the Aesir, before the Sorcerer King's worshippers won out)

The ironic abbreviation Tyr is the Norse god who put his hand in Feneris mouth to shackle him. Tyrannical is of course from the Greek tyrannos, which represented the middle-class taking power from the unjust nobility.
Tranny is just an insult.

[Hermit]

Tranny is just an insult.

Depends. Triodes in the form of vacuum tubes were around since 1907. They were bulky, consumed a lot of power, but very useful in the electronics industry, particularly so in radios. By the sixties they had evolved into solid-state devices called transistors - a contraction of the term 'transfer resistor'. These things were so cheap, tiny, economic and robust that it became possible to mass produce quite small radios that ran on a set of batteries for hours and could easily be taken to picnics, parties or wherever. Every juvenile seemed to have one, but nobody could be bothered to say "I'll bring my transistor radio along then" or "I need new batteries for my transistor radio." "Transistor radio" was contracted to "tranny." Your bleatings remind me of the sort of stuff I heard in the sixties over the tranny. So, as I said, Tranny, think of it as poetic license.

[Svartalf]

Tranny is NOT a proper abbreviation of my name. Tyr is the ironic though acceptable alternative.

Looks like your ankles are so swollen you can go through doors only sideways... which is Ironic since Tyr's name is prounounced the same as the german word for a door (leading me to wonder if he was a god of doorways as well as war, as well as the former leader of the Aesir, before the Sorcerer King's worshippers won out)

The ironic abbreviation Tyr is the Norse god who put his hand in Feneris mouth to shackle him. Tyrannical is of course from the Greek tyrannos, which represented the middle-class taking power from the unjust nobility.
Tranny is just an insult.

Begging pardon, but with the notable exception of Peisistratos of Athens, most recorded tyrants precisely earned the name its current (since antiquity) connotations. Better be ruled by Pericles or Themistocles or Leonidas than by the 30 tyrants or Dionysos of Syracusae.

[Tyrannical]

Tranny is just an insult.

Depends. Triodes in the form of vacuum tubes were around since 1907. They were bulky, consumed a lot of power, but very useful in the electronics industry, particularly so in radios. By the sixties they had evolved into solid-state devices called transistors - a contraction of the term 'transfer resistor'. These things were so cheap, tiny, economic and robust that it became possible to mass produce quite small radios that ran on a set of batteries for hours and could easily be taken to picnics, parties or wherever. Every juvenile seemed to have one, but nobody could be bothered to say "I'll bring my transistor radio along then" or "I need new batteries for my transistor radio." "Transistor radio" was contracted to "tranny." Your bleatings remind me of the sort of stuff I heard in the sixties over the tranny. So, as I said, Tranny, think of it as poetic license.

After I explicitly mention that I don't appreciate being called that, you continue to do so. Are you really going to force me to report your actions to a moderator or will you just agree to behave yourself?

[Rum]

This thread is criminal.

[Svartalf]

Where's little Red Riding Hood?
Because I feel like robbing Hood
of her virtue

[Hermit]

Tranny is just an insult.

Depends. Triodes in the form of vacuum tubes were around since 1907. They were bulky, consumed a lot of power, but very useful in the electronics industry, particularly so in radios. By the sixties they had evolved into solid-state devices called transistors - a contraction of the term 'transfer resistor'. These things were so cheap, tiny, economic and robust that it became possible to mass produce quite small radios that ran on a set of batteries for hours and could easily be taken to picnics, parties or wherever. Every juvenile seemed to have one, but nobody could be bothered to say "I'll bring my transistor radio along then" or "I need new batteries for my transistor radio." "Transistor radio" was contracted to "tranny." Your bleatings remind me of the sort of stuff I heard in the sixties over the tranny. So, as I said, Tranny, think of it as poetic license.

After I explicitly mention that I don't appreciate being called that, you continue to do so. Are you really going to force me to report your actions to a moderator or will you just agree to behave yourself?

Look, I can't be arsed typing out "transistor radio" every time I'm referring to you. The contraction to "Tranny" will just have to do, and it's not really all that insulting for that reason, Tranny.

[Tyrannical]

Tranny is NOT a proper abbreviation of my name. Tyr is the ironic though acceptable alternative.

Looks like your ankles are so swollen you can go through doors only sideways... which is Ironic since Tyr's name is prounounced the same as the german word for a door (leading me to wonder if he was a god of doorways as well as war, as well as the former leader of the Aesir, before the Sorcerer King's worshippers won out)

The ironic abbreviation Tyr is the Norse god who put his hand in Feneris mouth to shackle him. Tyrannical is of course from the Greek tyrannos, which represented the middle-class taking power from the unjust nobility.
Tranny is just an insult.

Begging pardon, but with the notable exception of Peisistratos of Athens, most recorded tyrants precisely earned the name its current (since antiquity) connotations. Better be ruled by Pericles or Themistocles or Leonidas than by the 30 tyrants or Dionysos of Syracusae.

Tyrannies were simply an early experiment with Republicanism, and it should not be surprising that the monarchies would have disapproved and maligned the title of Tyrant.