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Re: Self-termination

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:03 pm

Major Eyeswater wrote:I know there has been quite a lot of debate as to whether lethal injection (as applied in the US) is humane. I don't really like reading about it as I find the subject upsetting.
Texas has quite a debate going on. Very heated on both side.
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Re: Self-termination

Post by JacksSmirkingRevenge » Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:43 pm

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Major Eyeswater wrote:I know there has been quite a lot of debate as to whether lethal injection (as applied in the US) is humane. I don't really like reading about it as I find the subject upsetting.
Texas has quite a debate going on. Very heated on both side.
Texans debate?
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Re: Self-termination

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:47 pm

Major Eyeswater wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Major Eyeswater wrote:I know there has been quite a lot of debate as to whether lethal injection (as applied in the US) is humane. I don't really like reading about it as I find the subject upsetting.
Texas has quite a debate going on. Very heated on both side.
Texans debate?
Texas style. (Google "OK Corral" or "Massacre".)
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Re: Self-termination

Post by irreligionist » Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:49 pm

so far, nitrogen asphyxiation wins...

(is the new way that Dr Nitschke is suggesting? I know it involves a gas cylinder and a 'commonly available gas' and is undetectable in the body after death) :dono:

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Re: Self-termination

Post by Shaker » Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:18 pm

Major Eyeswater wrote:
Nice peaceful death from slow suffocation.
Bullshit. Suffocation is excruciating due to the build-up of carbon dioxide in the blood.
Asphyxiation by inert gas such as nitrogen or argon would be better since CO2 cannot be produced and therefore cannot build up in the blood and what there already is in there is expelled.
In a pure nitrogen atmosphere - such as would occur using a regulator and mask - unconsciousness occurs within about 2 minutes and death of the medulla oblongata within about 10 minutes.

Inert gas asphyxiation has been proposed as a humane means of capital punishment. So far it has not been adopted because......well, I suppose people don't want to be humane to death row inmates - they want to get their revenge by knowing that the prisoner will suffer. :dono:

Edit:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_asphyxiation
Does anybody else remember a quite recent (no more than a couple of years, IIRC) BBC documentary fronted by Michael Portillo where he examined the various methods of execution both already used and potentially new ones, and nitrogen asphyxiation came out way ahead of anyhing else by a long way?
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Re: Self-termination

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:38 pm

Shaker wrote:
Major Eyeswater wrote:
Nice peaceful death from slow suffocation.
Bullshit. Suffocation is excruciating due to the build-up of carbon dioxide in the blood.
Asphyxiation by inert gas such as nitrogen or argon would be better since CO2 cannot be produced and therefore cannot build up in the blood and what there already is in there is expelled.
In a pure nitrogen atmosphere - such as would occur using a regulator and mask - unconsciousness occurs within about 2 minutes and death of the medulla oblongata within about 10 minutes.

Inert gas asphyxiation has been proposed as a humane means of capital punishment. So far it has not been adopted because......well, I suppose people don't want to be humane to death row inmates - they want to get their revenge by knowing that the prisoner will suffer. :dono:

Edit:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_asphyxiation
Does anybody else remember a quite recent (no more than a couple of years, IIRC) BBC documentary fronted by Michael Portillo where he examined the various methods of execution both already used and potentially new ones, and nitrogen asphyxiation came out way ahead of anyhing else by a long way?
I remember that being on but I never saw it. Isn't CO poisoning supposed to be pretty painless too?
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Re: Self-termination

Post by CJ » Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:39 pm

Shaker wrote:
Major Eyeswater wrote:
Nice peaceful death from slow suffocation.
Bullshit. Suffocation is excruciating due to the build-up of carbon dioxide in the blood.
Asphyxiation by inert gas such as nitrogen or argon would be better since CO2 cannot be produced and therefore cannot build up in the blood and what there already is in there is expelled.
In a pure nitrogen atmosphere - such as would occur using a regulator and mask - unconsciousness occurs within about 2 minutes and death of the medulla oblongata within about 10 minutes.

Inert gas asphyxiation has been proposed as a humane means of capital punishment. So far it has not been adopted because......well, I suppose people don't want to be humane to death row inmates - they want to get their revenge by knowing that the prisoner will suffer. :dono:

Edit:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_asphyxiation
Does anybody else remember a quite recent (no more than a couple of years, IIRC) BBC documentary fronted by Michael Portillo where he examined the various methods of execution both already used and potentially new ones, and nitrogen asphyxiation came out way ahead of anyhing else by a long way?
Yes. It was simply removing the oxygen from the atmosphere, it lead to mild euphoria, followed by unconsciousness then in 5 to 10 minutes death. Looked like a very pleasant way to go.

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Re: Self-termination

Post by CJ » Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:40 pm

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
Shaker wrote:
Major Eyeswater wrote:
Nice peaceful death from slow suffocation.
Bullshit. Suffocation is excruciating due to the build-up of carbon dioxide in the blood.
Asphyxiation by inert gas such as nitrogen or argon would be better since CO2 cannot be produced and therefore cannot build up in the blood and what there already is in there is expelled.
In a pure nitrogen atmosphere - such as would occur using a regulator and mask - unconsciousness occurs within about 2 minutes and death of the medulla oblongata within about 10 minutes.

Inert gas asphyxiation has been proposed as a humane means of capital punishment. So far it has not been adopted because......well, I suppose people don't want to be humane to death row inmates - they want to get their revenge by knowing that the prisoner will suffer. :dono:

Edit:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_asphyxiation
Does anybody else remember a quite recent (no more than a couple of years, IIRC) BBC documentary fronted by Michael Portillo where he examined the various methods of execution both already used and potentially new ones, and nitrogen asphyxiation came out way ahead of anyhing else by a long way?
I remember that being on but I never saw it. Isn't CO poisoning supposed to be pretty painless too?
Apparently CO2 poisoning brings on a splitting headache before death.

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Re: Self-termination

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:42 pm

CJ wrote:
Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
Shaker wrote:
Major Eyeswater wrote:
Nice peaceful death from slow suffocation.
Bullshit. Suffocation is excruciating due to the build-up of carbon dioxide in the blood.
Asphyxiation by inert gas such as nitrogen or argon would be better since CO2 cannot be produced and therefore cannot build up in the blood and what there already is in there is expelled.
In a pure nitrogen atmosphere - such as would occur using a regulator and mask - unconsciousness occurs within about 2 minutes and death of the medulla oblongata within about 10 minutes.

Inert gas asphyxiation has been proposed as a humane means of capital punishment. So far it has not been adopted because......well, I suppose people don't want to be humane to death row inmates - they want to get their revenge by knowing that the prisoner will suffer. :dono:

Edit:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_asphyxiation
Does anybody else remember a quite recent (no more than a couple of years, IIRC) BBC documentary fronted by Michael Portillo where he examined the various methods of execution both already used and potentially new ones, and nitrogen asphyxiation came out way ahead of anyhing else by a long way?
I remember that being on but I never saw it. Isn't CO poisoning supposed to be pretty painless too?
Apparently CO2 poisoning brings on a splitting headache before death.
According to those who have died from it?
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Re: Self-termination

Post by JacksSmirkingRevenge » Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:54 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Major Eyeswater wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Major Eyeswater wrote:I know there has been quite a lot of debate as to whether lethal injection (as applied in the US) is humane. I don't really like reading about it as I find the subject upsetting.
Texas has quite a debate going on. Very heated on both side.
Texans debate?
Texas style. (Google "OK Corral" or "Massacre".)

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Re: Self-termination

Post by CJ » Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:54 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:According to those who have died from it?
Presumably the ones that nearly died from it!

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Re: Self-termination

Post by JacksSmirkingRevenge » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:01 pm

CJ wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:According to those who have died from it?
Presumably the ones that nearly died from it!

Apparently, CO poisoning will cause headache before death - how severe I have no idea.
CO2, on the other hand, would be very unpleasant indeed. We regulate our breathing according to how much CO2 is in the blood. If we are unable to displace this CO2 we experience severe discomfort. To get an idea what it would feel like just hold your breath or stop breathing for as long as you can and then imagine not being able to rectify the situation by breathing out.
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Re: Self-termination

Post by Shaker » Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:54 am

Major Eyeswater wrote:
CJ wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:According to those who have died from it?
Presumably the ones that nearly died from it!

Apparently, CO poisoning will cause headache before death - how severe I have no idea.
CO2, on the other hand, would be very unpleasant indeed. We regulate our breathing according to how much CO2 is in the blood. If we are unable to displace this CO2 we experience severe discomfort. To get an idea what it would feel like just hold your breath or stop breathing for as long as you can and then imagine not being able to rectify the situation by breathing out.
Or have a major panic attack.

It's not recommended :(
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Re: Self-termination

Post by Feck » Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:06 pm

Yes there are several 'easy'ways to kill yourself , recommend any to you ......not a fucking chance .The idea of getting back at the world ,mourners
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Re: Self-termination

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:09 pm

Feck wrote:Yes there are several 'easy'ways to kill yourself , recommend any to you ......not a fucking chance .The idea of getting back at the world ,mourners
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