Freedom to snuff it.

[Rum]

I think heroin and valium should be made available freely to everyone over 70 so when they have had enough they can slide out of existence as peacefully as possible if and when they want to. It might make the aches, pains and various ailments a little more bearable for a while too.

[colubridae]

This year both my father and father-in-law died.

My father was 94 and my father-in-law 96.

My father was little short of a drooling vegetable. He was a proud man and I know full well that had he known his condition he would of demanded death.
The only good part was that he was completely unaware of his condition.

My father-in-law was different. He was fully aware of his condition. He was in pain and suffering. He actually asked to be 'allowed to die'.
My wife loved her father dearly, In the fortnight before his death she went to bed each night begging for his death.

If I took her back 30 years and said 'One day you will beg for your father's death' she would never have believed it.

For my own mind I have no doubt whatsoever that assisted suicide is a something that should be allowed. Is it ‘good’? no. There’s no ‘good’ in such situations, only least bad.

[MrJonno]

Considering legally you don't have free will if you are seriously mentally il so you don't have the right to do anything, however society as a whole does have responsibility to protect its weak including from themselves.

If a person is legally competent then the state should not interfere bar to determine that they are indeed so which may mean temporary preventing themselves from killing themselves until this has been confirmed

[Gawdzilla Sama]

How barbaric. How unevolved. How irrational and evil.

That's another reason I don't like Christian religions.

[Bella Fortuna]

I intend to take care of business myself under certain circumstances. But it would get complicated if I was suddenly paralyzed and not only had to rely on someone else, but also put them at risk of being prosecuted if they agreed.

My thoughts about this have been finding some high-grade heroin and purposely over-dosing, at the point where living isn't palatable anymore. But, again, that would only work if I was mobile.

+1, though I haven't thought about how it could best be done. It's somehow comforting to think one could at least have control over deciding one's end if things became "bad."

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I have a living will on file with the VA. If you don't have one it may be that someone else decides your fate for you. That would be a very cruel thing to do to a loved one, IMHO.

[Rum]

The barbarity of the present 'system' is mind boggling and I think as much designed to protect a potential 'killer' as anything. The end result is that nobody with take responsibility and make courageous decisions about when it is right to die.. If my dog is suffering I can get it killed to put it out of its misery but if my father is dieing in agony I have no choice other than to wait for nature to 'take its course'. Its sickening.

[mistermack]

Certainly if you DO want treatment you should get it,

Yeh, but only if you've got the money.

A lot of people in YOUR world are committing suicide because they haven't got the money for treatment.
I'm glad you don't run the world.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

[mistermack]

Snuff it, time to go, checking out ? ? ?

You aren't talking about people KILLING THEMSELVES, by any chance?

I'm talking about the voluntary cessation of biological activity.

So what if they use a different detergent?

[Tyrannical]

Not about this? I've a cold still and just picked this up.

[Robert_S]

Snuff it, time to go, checking out ? ? ?

You aren't talking about people KILLING THEMSELVES, by any chance?

I'm talking about the voluntary cessation of biological activity.

So what if they use a different detergent?

The Tide might turn on that one.

There is terminal illness which, I think, can be pretty much be simplified with a living will. Where it gets interesting is a healthy body but a troubled mind.

Should we allow child molesters to kill themselves should their conscience catch up to them? How about convicted murderers or people who have caused massive suffering?

I would like to see a system in place where if a person has a mental condition (not necessarily illness) such that no matter how much therapy and meds they get, they'll never have a happy life; they would be given a chance to opt out if they have no obligations to anyone still living.

Maybe a procedure where they had to see a shrink, then present their case to a jury of non-professionals. They could then openly and with dignity settle their affairs and take a few pills in the setting of their choosing.

I don't want to facilitate suicide among people who are merely temporarily depressed. I know firsthand how being in such a state warps perception and can lead to some horrible decision making.

[Seth]

Certainly if you DO want treatment you should get it,

Yeh, but only if you've got the money.

A lot of people in YOUR world are committing suicide because they haven't got the money for treatment.
I'm glad you don't run the world.

Liar.

[Rum]

Certainly if you DO want treatment you should get it,

Yeh, but only if you've got the money.

A lot of people in YOUR world are committing suicide because they haven't got the money for treatment.
I'm glad you don't run the world.

Liar.

Neither of these positions are backed up with evidence..not at all uncommon for Seth of course.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Certainly if you DO want treatment you should get it,

Yeh, but only if you've got the money.

A lot of people in YOUR world are committing suicide because they haven't got the money for treatment.
I'm glad you don't run the world.

Liar.

Neither of these positions are backed up with evidence..not at all uncommon for Seth of course.

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