Well, before the universe it didn't even have time to keep it company.Rum wrote:Well there's the rub. Perhaps it is desperate?Even Adam wrote:If so, this 'first cause' has cheated by creating life as an open system.
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Effect does precede cause depending on how you look at it.Even Adam wrote:Effect preceded cause?
(I was going to say "What would happen if effect preceded cause, but then I realised)
And by depends, I mean on how much you believe in some of the crazy physics theories that are out there.
A rational skeptic should be able to discuss and debate anything, no matter how much they may personally disagree with that point of view. Discussing a subject is not agreeing with it, but understanding it.
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I appreciate this.Even Adam wrote:Well, before the universe it didn't even have time to keep it company.Rum wrote:Well there's the rub. Perhaps it is desperate?Even Adam wrote:If so, this 'first cause' has cheated by creating life as an open system.
My brain is now hurting and I am going to watch crap on the telly to take my mind off the pointlessness of it all.
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I don't know any. Maybe effect does precede cause, and their existence is predicate on my becoming aware of them...Tyrannical wrote:Effect does precede cause depending on how you look at it.
And by depends, I mean on how much you believe in some of the crazy physics theories that are out there.
It probably gets cold.Rum wrote:My brain is now hurting
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By being aware of probable futures back in the past, conscious beings created large parts of the present. In some way, that is the effect bringing about its own causes.Even Adam wrote:I don't know any. Maybe effect does precede cause, and their existence is predicate on my becoming aware of them...Tyrannical wrote:Effect does precede cause depending on how you look at it.
And by depends, I mean on how much you believe in some of the crazy physics theories that are out there.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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I find the anthropomorphised version to be the depressing one ... Much prefer knowing that there's no deliberation behind the (often awful) things that happen to living things, and that any creativity and appreciation we have for anything comes entirely from our own perspective.Rum wrote:I appreciate this.Even Adam wrote:Well, before the universe it didn't even have time to keep it company.Rum wrote:Well there's the rub. Perhaps it is desperate?Even Adam wrote:If so, this 'first cause' has cheated by creating life as an open system.
My brain is now hurting and I am going to watch crap on the telly to take my mind off the pointlessness of it all.
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If there are no conscious beings around to define them, perhaps cause and effect have no existence as such...
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Hmm..which begs the question - is time inexorably linked to consciousness?JimC wrote:If there are no conscious beings around to define them, perhaps cause and effect have no existence as such...
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Consciousness has to function pragmatically, in a world where the arrow of time is linked to entropic change.Rum wrote:Hmm..which begs the question - is time inexorably linked to consciousness?JimC wrote:If there are no conscious beings around to define them, perhaps cause and effect have no existence as such...
Theoretical physicists like to position themselves in a reality outside time...
Consequently, theoretical physicists think they are god...
Luckily, their consciousness anchors them to a world of events unfolding, which usually prevents them from stepping in front of moving cars...
This thought train brought to you by Tanqueray, the gin for internet intellectuals...
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Generally opening mouth simply to change the foot that I'll be putting in there
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