Do you ever review your values?

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Re: Do you ever review your values?

Post by Geoff » Sun May 29, 2011 9:33 pm

Rum wrote:Maybe there's something in this! I can't be 'turning' surely!!!?? :o

From: http://www.conservapedia.com/Liberal_values
I'd forgotten how hilarious conservapedia is! Cheers Rum! :hehe:
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Re: Do you ever review your values?

Post by Rum » Sun May 29, 2011 9:34 pm

Geoff wrote:
Rum wrote:Maybe there's something in this! I can't be 'turning' surely!!!?? :o

From: http://www.conservapedia.com/Liberal_values
I'd forgotten how hilarious conservapedia is! Cheers Rum! :hehe:
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Re: Do you ever review your values?

Post by Atheist-Lite » Sun May 29, 2011 9:49 pm

Most hold shared values. In not holding decisions above values you have given away your ability to think for yourself to the collective. A value system is like a badge and when you have a badge you are in danger of becoming a victim of it. (one way or another). Test everything and think it through for yourself. Adjust your values to your situation (and any you hold dear keep them to yourself). Develop a mask of some sort. You are living afterall, whilst you live, within the shifting sands of the human drama.

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Post by stripes4 » Sun May 29, 2011 9:53 pm

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Post by Animavore » Sun May 29, 2011 9:55 pm

Values?

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Re: Do you ever review your values?

Post by .Morticia. » Sun May 29, 2011 10:04 pm

Rum wrote:Big softy pinko liberal here calling!

Maybe I'm wrong though! Time to be judgemental, exclusive, ...etc..etc.. maybe?

Do you ever think you might be dead wrong in the way you look at the world!?

Reviewing values is different to changing world views.

I don't change my values.

Pain and suffering and exploitation and war etc is still bad

Love and fluffy kittens are still good.

World view.

Yes, I've changed it a few times as I've learned new things. Trying to keep it reality based is hard, in fact , most of my effort is in unlearning things that are wrong.
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Re: Do you ever review your values?

Post by Cunt » Sun May 29, 2011 10:31 pm

Svartalf wrote:values? like I ever had occasion to live by them or I were exposed to dilemmas involving them...

I'm pretty sure I got some, but they'll likely find them in some box after my death, packed with some other stuff I had to leave behind at a time or other.

Seriously, last time I upheld value in which I believed, I only managed to turn a bad situation into a complete disaster, whereas forgetting those values then might have avoided or mitigated any amount of unpleasantness.
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Re: Do you ever review your values?

Post by Pappa » Sun May 29, 2011 10:53 pm

Rum wrote:Maybe there's something in this! I can't be 'turning' surely!!!?? :o

From: http://www.conservapedia.com/Liberal_values

Liberal values refers to the value system commonly held by liberals, just as Professor values and Hollywood values do for professors and Hollywood respectively. Liberal values stand in stark opposition to conservative values and thus reject those things which conservatives hold to be dear and true. This includes, but is not limited to:

failure to warn people, particularly youngsters, about the harm caused by a lack of conservative values.
Censorship of ideas not deemed politically correct. E.g., Liberal students protest or disrupt conservative guest speakers on college campuses.
Denial of politically incorrect truths such as the link between abortion and breast cancer.
Opposition to the free market, instead favoring heavy regulation.
A desire for equal outcomes as opposed to equal opportunity.
Excessive emphasis on awards and titles, especially those awarded by liberal institutions.
To judge something immoral behavior is tantamount to being a bigot.
Bigotry itself, an almost uniquely liberal trait.
Confusing separation of church and state with atheism.
A willingness to excuse any aggressive and irreverent behaviour in other countries, while harshly criticizing their own.
Strict materialism and an overreliance on narrowly defined "reality".
Contempt for authorities.
Mistaking conclusions for facts.

In general, liberal values tend to undermine traditional society, and in certain instances can cause irreparable harm to the lives of individuals who are brought under their sway.
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Re: Do you ever review your values?

Post by Geoff » Sun May 29, 2011 10:57 pm

Pappa wrote:
Rum wrote:Maybe there's something in this! I can't be 'turning' surely!!!?? :o

From: http://www.conservapedia.com/Liberal_values
:funny:
It's worth following the links on there, for more lulz! Not quite up to the standards of the Onion, but some very good bits!

Try this for lunch:

http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism#At ... oral_views

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Post by Bella Fortuna » Mon May 30, 2011 3:10 am

That's uncannily spot-on! :o

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Re: Do you ever review your values?

Post by tattuchu » Mon May 30, 2011 3:17 pm

Rum wrote:Maybe there's something in this! I can't be 'turning' surely!!!?? :o

From: http://www.conservapedia.com/Liberal_values

Liberal values refers to the value system commonly held by liberals, just as Professor values and Hollywood values do for professors and Hollywood respectively. Liberal values stand in stark opposition to conservative values and thus reject those things which conservatives hold to be dear and true. This includes, but is not limited to:

failure to warn people, particularly youngsters, about the harm caused by a lack of conservative values.
Censorship of ideas not deemed politically correct. E.g., Liberal students protest or disrupt conservative guest speakers on college campuses.
Denial of politically incorrect truths such as the link between abortion and breast cancer.
Opposition to the free market, instead favoring heavy regulation.
A desire for equal outcomes as opposed to equal opportunity.
Excessive emphasis on awards and titles, especially those awarded by liberal institutions.
To judge something immoral behavior is tantamount to being a bigot.
Bigotry itself, an almost uniquely liberal trait.
Confusing separation of church and state with atheism.
A willingness to excuse any aggressive and irreverent behaviour in other countries, while harshly criticizing their own.
Strict materialism and an overreliance on narrowly defined "reality".
Contempt for authorities.
Mistaking conclusions for facts.

In general, liberal values tend to undermine traditional society, and in certain instances can cause irreparable harm to the lives of individuals who are brought under their sway.
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Re: Do you ever review your values?

Post by Svartalf » Mon May 30, 2011 4:44 pm

Cunt wrote:
Svartalf wrote:values? like I ever had occasion to live by them or I were exposed to dilemmas involving them...

I'm pretty sure I got some, but they'll likely find them in some box after my death, packed with some other stuff I had to leave behind at a time or other.

Seriously, last time I upheld value in which I believed, I only managed to turn a bad situation into a complete disaster, whereas forgetting those values then might have avoided or mitigated any amount of unpleasantness.
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Re: Do you ever review your values?

Post by Cunt » Mon May 30, 2011 4:49 pm

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Re: Do you ever review your values?

Post by floppit » Mon May 30, 2011 7:53 pm

Definitely. Maybe some folk are smarter or have simpler lives but whether at work or at home I meet ethical challenges that I can't easily answer, the process of coming to a 'best effort' answer is where most of my changes take place.

I can argue with the criticism of liberals but sort of get it as well. It makes more sense to me to be more critical about one's own country as that's where we vote and the system in which we have to live. Without endless warring criticism of other countries is often (not always) just hot air, same with culture to some extent. As I live in my own culture my ability to influence it is greater, still small, but greater than my ability to influence outer Mongolian cattle slaughtering techniques! On a less rational but very human note, while I acknowledge wholly that other cultures present in my locality have issues, some harmful ones, the level of criticism they often get from others seems to exceed the reality and once friends have been made the perceived realities get changed too. I guess I just get sick of the whining about immigrants - our World's changed, people are more mobile than ever and human beings have always migrated! Much of it seems a little like King Canute (sp?) ordering the waves to go back.

Outspoken is not the same as arrogant, without sharing views they can't be challenged. Fundamentally it seems like a process to me and not one I see ending till I lose my marbles or die.
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Re: Do you ever review your values?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Mon May 30, 2011 7:58 pm

Bella Fortuna wrote:
Crumple wrote:'Mericans are indoctrinated to see it all in B/W.
:roll: Give me a break.
Don't worry, I'm sure the Europeans are faaarrr better at seeing things in black and white than we silly yanks. Our ability to see things in black and white is cheap, bland and pissy. :biggrin:

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