The impenetrability of the consciousness of others

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Re: The impenetrability of the consciousness of others

Post by FBM » Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:32 am

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Rum wrote:I find myself increasingly drawn to Buddhist ideas in particular the notion of emptiness an the idea that the world is essentially a construction of our consciousness.
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Re: The impenetrability of the consciousness of others

Post by Feck » Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:34 am

FBM wrote:
Feck wrote:
Rum wrote:I find myself increasingly drawn to Buddhist ideas in particular the notion of emptiness an the idea that the world is essentially a construction of our consciousness.
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Re: The impenetrability of the consciousness of others

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Feck wrote:
FBM wrote:
Feck wrote:
Rum wrote:I find myself increasingly drawn to Buddhist ideas in particular the notion of emptiness an the idea that the world is essentially a construction of our consciousness.
:this:
:this:

what he said

Same goes for me.
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Re: The impenetrability of the consciousness of others

Post by Feck » Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:39 am

Feck wrote:
FBM wrote:
Feck wrote:
Rum wrote:I find myself increasingly drawn to Buddhist ideas in particular the notion of emptiness an the idea that the world is essentially a construction of our consciousness.
:this:
:this:

what he said
FBM wrote:Same goes for me.
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Re: The impenetrability of the consciousness of others

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Feck wrote:
Feck wrote:
FBM wrote:
Feck wrote:
Rum wrote:I find myself increasingly drawn to Buddhist ideas in particular the notion of emptiness an the idea that the world is essentially a construction of our consciousness.
:this:
:this:

what he said
FBM wrote:Same goes for me.
:+1:
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Edit: Oops. Sorry, Rum. I forgot this was GSD&P. :oops:
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Re: The impenetrability of the consciousness of others

Post by Feck » Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:11 am

Feck wrote:
Feck wrote:
FBM wrote:
Feck wrote:
Rum wrote:I find myself increasingly drawn to Buddhist ideas in particular the notion of emptiness an the idea that the world is essentially a construction of our consciousness.
:this:
:this:

what he said
FBM wrote:Same goes for me.
:+1:
:clap: :tup:
FBM wrote:Edit: Oops. Sorry, Rum. I forgot this was GSD&P. :oops:
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Re: The impenetrability of the consciousness of others

Post by Tero » Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:27 am

It is possible that the entire universe is inside your head. I am not sure what I am in that case. A prop?
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Re: The impenetrability of the consciousness of others

Post by Trolldor » Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:30 am

That the universe is 'entirely in your head' is as probable as the universe is actually a shitstain on some Cosmic-sized underwear. People are only drawn to that 'extension of consciousness' bullshit because they like to feel important.
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Re: The impenetrability of the consciousness of others

Post by Feck » Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:39 am

How does feeling subjective rather than objective translate to feeling important ?
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Re: The impenetrability of the consciousness of others

Post by Trolldor » Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:44 am

Because you're believing the universe is the result of your observation when the reverse is the reality.
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Re: The impenetrability of the consciousness of others

Post by FBM » Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:47 am

Rum wrote:Are we island universes?

That would lead to infinite regress, wouldn't it?

On another note: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/other-minds/
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Re: The impenetrability of the consciousness of others

Post by Horwood Beer-Master » Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:18 pm

The Mad Hatter wrote:...What you experience on the inside is behaviour of the brain. If you could understand that, you would know the person.
That was essentially Dennett's point.
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Re: The impenetrability of the consciousness of others

Post by Rum » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:06 pm

The Mad Hatter wrote:Because you're believing the universe is the result of your observation when the reverse is the reality.
No, you misunderstand the OP. The view you seem to detest so much is called 'solipsism'. ( see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism)

There is no evidence either way on this one. 'Common sense' however dictates that your mind is one of the billions that exist on the planet today. My OP was not about solipsism, but about the fact that each of those minds is totally isolated except for the narrow pathways of communication which we have between ourselves, all prone to misunderstanding, ambiguity and in any case lacking in content for the most part.

We invent the content of the universe and we project it too in my view,

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Re: The impenetrability of the consciousness of others

Post by beige » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:11 pm

Would this be in any way linked then, to wondering whether what you perceive as "red" for example, or anything in particular is actually the same as what others are seeing?
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Re: The impenetrability of the consciousness of others

Post by Azathoth » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:14 pm

As long as people can agree what red is who gives a fuck what it looks like in someone elses head
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