The afterlife = A dimension of working contradictions?

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The afterlife = A dimension of working contradictions?

Post by BlackDog » Sun Feb 28, 2010 3:35 pm

In the afterlife, in order for the paradox of God's Omniscience and Omnipotence to work the impossible must be possible.

We will exist in a state where:

A square with 5 sides should be possible along side a regular square

A circled square should work along side a circle and a square.

All of these objects should be possible to exist, and the contradiction of their state should be possible in order not to negate their existence.

What do you guys think? I have to work out what a working contradiction means, and if that is possible. Please note I'm new to matters of philosophy. Be gentle with me :hehe:

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Post by the PC apeman » Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:01 pm

Do please be careful not to explode.

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Post by BlackDog » Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:24 pm

the PC apeman wrote:Do please be careful not to explode.
Thanks :)

lol since the statements are both logically contradictory then anything that comes out of is it logically contradictory and true :D

That is so fantastic! But does it apply to the real world? Check this site out:

users.ox.ac.uk/~ball0888/manifesto/quodlibet.doc

Google it if you want to open it in your browser.

The last part of it is really good:
Your first hint is that as long as you stay within the world of formal logic, there is indeed nothing wrong with EFQ. Our classical formal logics all deploy it, and are right to do so, given the way they are set up. EFQ is indeed a consequence of the other rules. But suppose you stand back, outside formal logic, and ask a different question:

Is classical formal logic an adequate model of human reasoning? Does the formal system correctly mimic what we do when we reason? Especially when we reason using ‘if’?
So in a real world situation, let's say something can be dead and alive at the same time. Within the logic of EFQ, I can come to the conclusion George Harrison was a lemur. But in a real world situation the logic of EFQ will probably result in you having a good rashing. For example

Having sex with a 9 year old makes you a pedophile
Having sex with a 9 year old does not make you a pedophile

Within formal logic there is no problem, well actually according to that lecture there. But in the real world, there is I think. Some times states are definite contradictions. I'm not sure if that' what the lecturer meant.
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Post by Elessarina » Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:27 pm

We all have an afterlife.. our atoms get redistributed elsewhere.. :biggrin:

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Post by Azathoth » Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:31 pm

BlackDog wrote:In the afterlife, in order for the paradox of God's Omniscience and Omnipotence to work the impossible must be possible.

We will exist in a state where:

A square with 5 sides should be possible along side a regular square

A circled square should work along side a circle and a square.

All of these objects should be possible to exist, and the contradiction of their state should be possible in order not to negate their existence.

What do you guys think? I have to work out what a working contradiction means, and if that is possible. Please note I'm new to matters of philosophy. Be gentle with me :hehe:
If you want a working contradiction the quantum world is full of them. Light is a perfect example existing as both a wave and a particle simultaneously.
Outside the ordered universe is that amorphous blight of nethermost confusion which blasphemes and bubbles at the center of all infinity—the boundless daemon sultan Azathoth, whose name no lips dare speak aloud, and who gnaws hungrily in inconceivable, unlighted chambers beyond time and space amidst the muffled, maddening beating of vile drums and the thin monotonous whine of accursed flutes.

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Post by BlackDog » Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:40 pm

Elessarina wrote:We all have an afterlife.. our atoms get redistributed elsewhere.. :biggrin:

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Post by Elessarina » Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:43 pm

BlackDog wrote:
Elessarina wrote:We all have an afterlife.. our atoms get redistributed elsewhere.. :biggrin:

:hehe:
It's true though.. personally I'd like to be thrown on the Serengeti/ Masai Mara to provide some sustenance for whatever wishes to have a nibble

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Post by BlackDog » Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:51 pm

Elessarina wrote:
BlackDog wrote:
Elessarina wrote:We all have an afterlife.. our atoms get redistributed elsewhere.. :biggrin:

:hehe:
It's true though.. personally I'd like to be thrown on the Serengeti/ Masai Mara to provide some sustenance for whatever wishes to have a nibble
Ah a type of Zoroastrian burial, let the vultures nibble on you :D

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Post by Elessarina » Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:01 pm

BlackDog wrote: Ah a type of Zoroastrian burial, let the vultures nibble on you :D
Well I'd rather everything get a chance for a bite.. and for my bones to become part of the earth

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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:34 pm

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BlackDog wrote:In the afterlife, in order for the paradox of God's Omniscience and Omnipotence to work the impossible must be possible.

We will exist in a state where:

A square with 5 sides should be possible along side a regular square

A circled square should work along side a circle and a square.

All of these objects should be possible to exist, and the contradiction of their state should be possible in order not to negate their existence.

What do you guys think? I have to work out what a working contradiction means, and if that is possible. Please note I'm new to matters of philosophy. Be gentle with me :hehe:
If you want a working contradiction the quantum world is full of them. Light is a perfect example existing as both a wave and a particle simultaneously.
Actually, light exists as neither! It exhibits characteristics of both under different conditions but its true structure is something else altogether and not fully understood yet. The nature of light is not a contradiction unless you convince yourself that it must fit into one of the two categories - a logical fallacy based upon our lack of understanding.
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Post by xrayzed » Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:56 am

BlackDog wrote:In the afterlife, in order for the paradox of God's Omniscience and Omnipotence to work the impossible must be possible.
I'm not clear in what way the existence/possibility of an afterlife is seen to be related to omniscience and ominipotence.

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